Minor League Game Review – 8/25/11 Doug Gray August 26, 2011 45 Comments 8/25 Game Review Louisville won 6-5. Box Score Kristopher Negron went 2-4 with a HR (8) with 3 RBI. Chris Valaika went 2-4 with 2 doubles and a run. Juan Francisco went 1-4 with an RBI. Denis Phipps went 1-3 with a double, walk and a run. Jeremy Hermida went 2-4 with a HR (16) and 2 RBI. Devin Mesoraco went 1-4 with a run. Danny Dorn went 1-4 with a run. Matt Maloney allowed 3 runs in 6 innings with 4 strikeouts. Jordan Smith allowed a run in 2 innings with 2 strikeouts. Brad Boxberger threw a scoreless inning of work with a strikeout. Game notes: Kristopher Negron raised his average over the .200 mark on the season. Chris Valaika is hitting .303 and slugging .494 in August. Jeremy Hermida is hitting .347/.413/.694 in August. Brad Boxberger has a 2.95 ERA in the second half with Louisville. Game links Postgame article from BatsBaseball.com. Postgame article from the Courier Journal. Carolina lost 5-3. Box Score Yasmani Grandal went 1-1 with a double and 2 RBI as a pinch hitter. Chris Mobley went 1-1 at the plate. Tim Gustafson threw 2 shutout innings of relief. Game notes: Bill Rhinehart reached base twice via a walk and scored a run in an 0-2 effort. Yasmani Grandal raised his average to .300 with Carolina. Bakersfield lost 2-0. Box Score Carlos Mendez went 1-3 with a double. Jordan Wideman went 1-3. Tim Crabbe threw 7 innings with 2 earned runs with 3 strikeouts. Doug Salinas threw a scoreless inning of work with 2 strikeouts. Game notes: Tim Crabbe lowered his ERA to 3.80 on the season. Game links Postgame article from BakersfieldBlaze.com. Dayton won 9-0. Box Score Billy Hamilton went 2-5 with a double, RBI and a run. Ronald Torreyes went 2-3 with 2 triples, 3 RBI, a walk and a run. Frank Pfister went 1-3 with 2 walks and a run. David Vidal went 1-3 with a double, RBI, 2 walks and 2 runs. Tucker Barnhart went 2-5 with 2 RBI and a run. Juan Duran went 2-4 with a double, walk and a run. Theo Bowe went 1-4 with a walk, RBI and 2 runs. Kyle Lotzkar threw 6 shutout innings with 4 strikeouts. Blaine Howell, Pat Doyle and Chad Rogers each threw a scoreless inning of relief with 3 combined strikeouts. Game notes: Billy Hamilton raised his average to .270 on the season, and to .309 in the second half (249 at bats). Ronald Torreyes raised his line to .360/.410/.466 with 14 walks and 16 strikeouts (236 at bats). Kyle Lotzkar has a 3.14 ERA in his last 10 starts (48.2 innings) with 14 walks and 54 strikeouts. The game will be available on Milb.tv for those who subscribe. Game links Postgame article from DaytonDragons.com. Billings won 7-6. Box Score Juan Perez went 2-5 with an RBI. Bryson Smith went 2-2 with a double, walk, RBI and a run. Kyle Waldrop went 4-5 with an RBI and 2 runs. Yovan Gonzalez went 1-4 with an RBI and a run. Spencer Dickinson went 3-4 with a double, triple, RBI and a run. Porfirio Martinez allowed a run in 3 innings of work with 2 strikeouts. Erik Miller threw a scoreless inning with 2 strikeouts. Game notes: Kyle Waldrop is up to .287/.319/.489 on the season. He is hitting .367/.374/.633 in the second half (90 at bats). AZL Reds lost 9-0. Box Score Wagner Gomez went 1-3. Abel De Los Santos allowed a run in 3 innings with a strikeout. Tony Amezcua and Christopher Joyce each threw a scoreless inning of relief. Game notes: Brandon Dailey had the only other hit for the Reds. The loss put the Reds 1.5 games back with 3 games left. They do still have a 2 game lead in the wildcard chase. Today’s Game Preview Team 1st half 2nd half Time Probable Box Score Listen Live Louisville 69-65 N/A 7:05pm Reineke Here Here Carolina 23-47 27-32 8:05pm TBA Here Here Bakersfield 35-35 27-32 10:05pm Fairel Here Here Dayton 35-35 40-19 7:05pm Robles Here Here Billings 20-18 15-10 9:05pm TBA Here Here AZL Reds 30-23 N/A 2:00pm TBA Here N/A http://www.whiotv.com/7weathernow/index.htmlAZL 45 Responses The Duke August 26, 2011 Kyle Waldrop has flashed a nice hit tool in August but they guy has to learn to take some walks. Has anyone progressively improved throughout the year more than Billy Hamilton? He was sub-Mendoza at one point and is now at .270. If he can ride this hot streak out to the end of the year, he could maybe get above .280. I’m excited to see what Ronald Torreyes can do in a full season next year. He needs to add about 10 lbs of good weight though to help hold up over the grind. Grandal up to .300, most of the Reds hitters that were expected to hit this year have. MK August 26, 2011 I think you cn go to jail in Montana for flashing a tool. KyWilson1 August 26, 2011 Hahaha nice. Krozley August 26, 2011 Negron and Valaika may be worried about their roster spots and figured they better start hitting. Tim August 26, 2011 So Ramon Hernandez was placed on waivers and claimed. So what do the Reds do???? Pull him back. Poor Mesoraco. When does the Free Mesoraco start?????? Shaggy August 26, 2011 Who claimed him, and do we get anything in return Jeff Gentil August 26, 2011 If they had no intention of moving Ramon, why put him on waivers at all? Am I missing something? Tim August 26, 2011 No, but Dusty is definitely missing something!!! Why would he want to trade Hernandez since we are going to still win the division?! jim t August 26, 2011 Tim, Dusty doesn’t make the trades wJ does. Redstockings60 August 26, 2011 Putting him on waivers is optional? Tim August 26, 2011 Im pretty sure it is optional. Krozley August 26, 2011 If he gets through waivers, then the Reds would have the option of trading Ramon to anyone they could work a deal with. Once a team puts a claim in on the waiver, the Reds have to either 1) just let the team have him, taking over the rest of his contract, or 2) try to work out a trade with that team. If that team doesn’t want to trade or their offer is not good enough, the Reds would have to pull him back. Which they did. So they put him through the process just in case someone would come along and offer a worthy trade proposal. Many players are put through waivers even if there is a 99% chance they won’t be traded. You just don’t hear about it as the clubs pull them back. Alan Horn August 26, 2011 I think they have a certain amount of time to make a deal with the claiming team before the Reds can pull him back off waivers with no penalty. If what was offered in a trade didn’t suit Walt, then he can just pull him back off waivers. There is a time line for the whole process. Nick August 26, 2011 My guess is he was claimed by the Pirates and they didn’t want to trade him within the division. The Reds would be wise to offer him arbitration and if he agrees let him back up Mesoraco next year. Hanigan shouldn’t bring back any top prospects but he might be able to get us a guy in someone’s 10-20 range. The Duke August 26, 2011 I agree jim t August 26, 2011 Seriously doubt the Pirates claimed Ramon. Probably some one who is competing with the Giants and didn’t want to see them help themselves. Redstockings60 August 26, 2011 Waivers: Any player under contract may be placed on waivers (“waived”) at any time. After MLB’s July 31 trade deadline and through to the end of the season, however, a team must place a player on waivers if that player is to be eligible to be traded. chuckchuck August 26, 2011 So a player can only be placed on waivers one time before the waiver deadline? Owen August 26, 2011 You can only pull a player back from waivers once. If we were to put Ramon on waivers again whoever claimed him would get him and they would only have to pay his salary. Most players are placed on waivers this time of year, mainly veterans, but even when they clear they rarely get traded. I think clubs use it as a way to see what the teams around the league think of someone. David Wright, Jason Bay, and even Bronson Arroyo cleared waivers so far this year MK August 26, 2011 There are 2 types of waivers. Revocable and Irrevocable. If he is on the first the waiving team can let him go and the claiming team must take him, pull him back if claimed and/or work out a trade with them. If the irrevocable any team that selects him gets him and must take him while the waiving team gets nothing in return except the dollar savings. Doug Gray August 26, 2011 Just a poorly executed season by the front office this year. If anyone truly looked at the math toward the end of July, you could see it would have taken a miracle to come back and win the division. Yet the team held onto pending free agents to “go for it”. Then they put them on waivers and are open to trading them less than a month later and then can’t get anything out of them. The Reds aren’t going to offer Ramon arbitration. So they kept him on the prayers that the Reds were going to play .675 baseball the rest of the season after being sub .500 up to the end of July. Just a really poor decision on how to not get anything for your assets. mort August 26, 2011 So now that we keep him, do we offer him arbitration to get the draft picks? I remember reading somewhere that as a 35-36 year old catcher, he may accept and then we would not get the draft picks. I may be off on this and don’t know much about the process. Can someone fill me in? Doug Gray August 26, 2011 You can’t risk offering him arbitration. He would likely accept, then you don’t get the picks, have to pay him 4-6M and are stuck with him while having to keep Mesoraco back in the minors. The Reds aren’t going to get anything for him at the end of the year. Nick August 26, 2011 Then you trade Hanigan and you get a veteran catcher to catch Cueto and someone else everyother week. MK August 26, 2011 Nick, I really don’t disagree with this approach. Heck Hanigan is 31 so he is no Spring Chicken as far as catchers go. fromcubawithluv August 26, 2011 wow fromcubawithluv August 26, 2011 hanigan is locked up for a few years and cheap. Why in God’s name would you want to trade him?????????? MK August 26, 2011 With his bat and added ability to play first base, and assuming Mesoraco is a 130 game a year catcher (and for now cheaper than Hanigan)I think Hernandez is a more valuable bench player in 2012. I would hope Grandal would be ready in 2013. If Hanigan fills the back-up role in 2012 and at age 32 his trade value will really drop. fromcubawithluv August 26, 2011 I don’t really care what is trade value is. Can you name anyone in major league baseball that is only going to be making 1.2 mil that you would rather have as a mentor to a young catcher than Hanigan? He is fantastic at handling a pitching staff. Hernandez has hitting numbers way above his actual skill level. He will not do this again, ever. I like him, but he is not the best choice to be the second catcher next year. Nick August 26, 2011 Hernandez would probably get 4.5 tops in arbitration. Hanigan is slated to make 1.2 next year. Mesoraco is proabably suited for 120-130 games a year anyways. So for a possible 3 extra million you give your self the opportunity to get 2 first round picks or a veteran catcher for Mesoraco to work with a year. Hanigan being cheap only raises his trade value. Ill take Hernandez next year over Hanigan 10 out of 10 times next year but it’s not my $$. wanderinredsfan August 26, 2011 They are going to offer arbitration. They obviously feel no need to get Mesoraco up to the bigs quickly, which likely means they don’t mind going into next season with Mesoraco starting back in L’ville. In truth, it might be the best policy. At this moment in time, I think the Reds should try to wait as long as possible before starting the clocks on a lot of their prospects, especially the ones that they forsee as future marquee players; players like Mesoraco. I think they learned a lesson by bringing up Bruce and Bailey too early. Personally, I don’t see an urgent need to rush Mesoraco, when catching at the big league level, is currently a strength. Why not have your prospects ready for the bigs during their peak years (26-32), rather than deal with rushing guys in their early 20’s, thereby losing out on a few of their most productive years to FA? Doug Gray August 26, 2011 Because then players are absolutely always going to leave the first chance they get because you are then screwing with their money. When guys reach free agency in their 20’s, they can get big pay days. When you hold them down for nothing other than to keep their primes, they aren’t getting to free agency until their thirties and aren’t getting the same kind of deals. The players union will go nuts over things like that. wanderinredsfan August 27, 2011 There is no rule that states you have to promote a player before the G.M. and team feel that said player is the best option for the position. If he’s not at a point in time, there is no rule that states that said team has to create roster space, just because said player or his representatives believe his start-time is being stalled. Doug Gray August 27, 2011 On a single basis, no. But after it keeps happening, someone is going to figure out what is going on. If the Reds had kept Bruce down in the minor leagues until this season, there would have been something crazy going on. chuckchuck August 27, 2011 completely with you on this one Doug fromcubawithluv August 26, 2011 they will not offer arbitration. They will not offer arbitration jim t August 26, 2011 Doug, don’t entirerly agree with your comment. I do think the FO has missed on a few moves. Most notably not bringing Cozart up earlier. While I don’t diagree we were probably out of the race getting close and keeping it interesting was doable and would have helped attendance which I think playe into their thought process. I think if someone had made a offer of value for ramon the deal would have been made. fromcubawithluv August 26, 2011 one of the news guys for the giants reported that they inquired and we told him that he wasn’t available. But, who really knows. If they got an offer for a prospect that had a reasonable chance of playing in the majors, we should have taken it. MK August 26, 2011 Could be the Reds had a deal worked out with a team, lets say the Giants, and another team, lower in the standings, did not want the Giants to acquire him so they put in a claim and were offering nothing for him in trade, so the Reds pulled him back. The team didn’t want him but didn’t want the Giants to get him. The Reds played defense like this back in ’95 when they claimed Mariano Duncan on waivers from the Yankees so he couldn’t go to the Braves who needed a second baseman. Old Leatherpants played defense thinking the Reds would play the Braves in the playoffs (which they did) thus keeping them weaker offensively. The difference was the Yankees accepted the claim and Duncan became a Redleg for the second time. Shawn M August 26, 2011 Hal McCoy is saying the Reds have 48 hrs to make a deal with the team that claimed Hernandez. jim t August 26, 2011 Doug, can dayton win the MWL title. Hamilton with another 3 hits. Kid is raking. With the young kids who started with the Dragons the only guy not to have a good year was Y-Rod. Will he get moved up next year??? Doug Gray August 26, 2011 Dayton has the best record in the league and they are far and away the best team in the league right now. As for Yorman not having a good year but Billy Hamilton having a good one…. Yorman has a 22 point OPS lead on him. Billy Hamilton, for all that he has done lately, still has a sub .700 OPS. jim t August 26, 2011 Thanks doug, The Fans at Dayton really deserve a good season with the way they support the dragons. First rate organization Kyle August 27, 2011 So do you think Yorman gets bumped up to Bakersfield with Barnhart, Torreyes, Hamilton, and Duran? I think Dayton is in for a bit of a drop off next season, although I think fans will enjoy watching Junior Arias and Kyle Waldrop. If some of the more advanced college (and JUCO) guys like Ryan Wright, Sean Buckley, Cole Green, and Nick O’Shea stay in Dayton for a while it’d be a big boost. Doug Gray August 27, 2011 I don’t know if he will, but it wouldn’t surprise me either way. I would expect most of the Billings guys to be in Dayton next season.