8/21 Game Review
Louisville lost 10-7. Box Score
- Didi Gregorius went 2-5 with a double, run and 2 RBI.
- Denis Phipps went 1-4 with a walk.
- Felix PErez went 3-5 with a double and 2 runs.
- Mike Costanzo went 1-2 with 2 walks and 2 runs.
- Corky Miller went 1-3 with a walk, RBI and a run.
- Cody Puckett went 1-3 with a walk and 2 RBI.
- Nick Christiani threw 3 shutout innings with 2 walks and a strikeout.
- JJ Hoover threw a shutout inning with 3 strikeouts.
Game notes
JJ Hoover lowered his ERA to 1.22 on the year and now has 55 strikeouts and 12 walks in 37 innings.
Pensacola lost 4-2, 3-1 in a double header.
Game 1: 4-2 loss. Box Score
- Billy Hamilton went 1-2 with 2 walks and 4 steals (147).
- Beau Mills went 2-4.
- Tucker Barnhart went 1-3 with a HR (5) and 2 RBI.
- Tony Cingrani allowed 2 runs in 7 innings with 2 walks and 7 strikeouts.
Game 2: 3-1 loss. Box Score
- Billy Hamilton went 1-2.
- Josh Fellhauer went 1-3.
- Beau Mills went 1-1 with 2 walks and a run.
- Donald Lutz went 2-3 with a double and an RBI.
- Chad Rogers allowed a run in 4 innings with 2 strikeouts.
Game notes
Billy Hamilton is now on top of the minor league record book with steals and he has time to add to his new record. Tony Cingrani took a perfect game into the 6th inning before losing his perfect game, no hitter and shut out on three consecutive hitters. Tucker Barnhart’s two run home run tied up the game with 2 outs in the 7th (and would be final inning had the game not been tied).
Bakersfield won 5-2. Box Score
- Theo Bowe went 2-4 with a run and a steal (59).
- Ryan Wright went 2-3 with a walk, HR (10), 2 RBI and 2 runs.
- Juan Duran went 1-3 with a walk.
- Devin Lohman went 1-3 with a double, steal (29) and a walk.
- Chris Berset went 1-3 with an RBI.
- Josh Smith allowed 2 runs in 6 innings with 3 walks and 6 strikeouts.
- Blaine Howell threw 2 shutout innings with a strikeout.
- Carlos Contreras struck out all three hitters he faced.
Game notes
In most years Theo Bowe’s 59 steals would easily lead an organization. Josh Smith continues along with another good pitching performance.
Dayton won 6-3. Box Score
- Juan Perez went 2-5 with a double and a run.
- Sammy Diaz went 2-4 with a walk, RBI and 2 runs.
- Joe Terry went 1-3 with 2 runs and a walk.
- Sean Buckley went 2-2 with 2 doubles, 2 walks and 3 RBI.
- Nick O’Shea went 1-4 with an RBI.
- Radhames Quezada threw 4 shutout innings with a walk and 5 strikeouts.
- Wes Mugarian allowed 2 runs in 4 innings with a walk and 4 strikeouts.
Game notes
Radhames Quezada lowered his ERA to 3.28. Sean Buckley had a big night, reaching base four times and driving in 3.
Billings lost 5-3. Box Score
- Beau Amaral went 1-4 with a run.
- Jesse Winker went 1-4 with a double and a run.
- Carlos Sanchez went 2-4 with a double, triple and an RBI.
- Zach Vincej went 2-4.
- Robert Ramirez went 2-3 with a double and a walk.
- Jon Moscot threw 3 shutout innings with a walk and 3 strikeouts.
- Jordan Remer threw a hitless inning with a walk.
- Alejandro Chacin threw 2 shutout innings with 2 strikeouts.
Game notes
Carlos Sanchez tied the Pioneer League record with 11 triples. He is now hitting .315. Zach Vincej is hitting .422 since signing a few weeks ago. Alejandro Chacin lowered his ERA to 1.85.
AZL Reds won 1-0. Box Score
- Humberto Valor went 2-3.
- Jonathan Reynoso went 2-3 with a run and a steal (28).
- Daniel Paula went 2-2 with an RBI.
- Nick Travieso threw 4 shutout innings with a walk and 4 strikeouts.
- Wandy Peralta threw 2 shutout innings with a strikeout.
Game notes
The game was ended early, likely by rain as several AZL games also ended early. Nice start by Nick Travieso, making the longest start of his career. Jonathan Reynoso raised his line on the season to .339/.354/.455.
Game preview
| Team | 1st half | 2nd half | Time | Probable | Box Score | Listen Live | Watch Live |
| Louisville | 50-82 | N/A | 7:05pm |
Texeria | Here | Here |
Here |
| Pensacola | 34-35 |
29-29 | 7:00pm |
TBA |
Here |
Here |
Here |
| Bakersfield | 41-29 | 23-34 | 10:15pm |
Renken |
Here |
Here |
N/A |
| Dayton | 30-40 | 25-30 |
7:35pm |
Stephenson |
Here | Here |
N/A |
| Billings | 21-17 | 16-7 |
9:15pm |
TBA |
Here | Here |
Here |
| AZL Reds |
16-32 | N/A |
10:00pm | TBA |
Here | N/A |
N/A |
It’s just a darned shame that the Reds gave up 2 prospects for Broxton when Hoover likely would have been a better option.
After a good start, Broxton has now given up runs in 3 of his last 4 appearances (5 runs in 3 1/3 innings). And a whopping 3 K’s in 6 IP as a Red.
And to make matters worse, they’ll let him walk after the season.
Doug……..you were absolutely right on this one.
Key word is likely. Using Hoover in the same role as Broxton isn’t a slam dunk. Using a comparison of stats to a guy pitching in AAA versus a guy pitching 8th inning in a pennant race is not even close.
It isn’t like Hoover wasn’t getting things done in the Majors in the brief time he was here.
Doug, pitching the 8th inning in a penant race is just a tad different than pitching to a 3.00 era in apr and may. I think Hoover has a future as I do Mez but throwing them in to a situation they may not be ready for in the middle of a penant race is not a good decision.
Couldn’t agree more Jim. Hoover may have handled that well, but if you are “all in” as Jocketty has claimed from the get go, you go with guys that have been there before, not on unproven ones.
Like it or not, the trade was made for the post season. If Broxton falters then, let the criticism flow, but if he succeeds in his role, then it will be well worth it in my mind.
Time will tell…..
Broxton was an unnecessary trade by any definition. Even if this was a playoff move only, proper handling would still have made Hoover and Masset as possible legit options by then. It was a move just to make a move.
If they were worried about the playoff roster, they should have gotten a LH bat.
Sorry, talent trumps all. There are plenty of rookies handling key bullpen roles all around baseball. Kimbrel last year, Addison Reed (ChiSox) this year. It’s not like this is Hoover’s first rodeo. For guys drafted as relievers, they’ve pitched in these high leverage situations their whole careers. If you are a competitive person, you value every opportunity to compete equally.
I mean, by that logic, no GM in their right mind would play Frazier and Cozart in the middle of a pennant race, right?
Doug, runs the best site around but I don’t wouldn’t want him as my GM.LOL
Last night was a Fluke. If that ball to Phillips doesnt take a crazy hop over his head then he gets out of inning with just the 1 walk which was a non factor after the DP. The triple that that the guy hit down the 1st base line was a good pitch that he put a good swing on the ball. The thing that I would agree with Doug on is Brox inability to get the K.
I agree. It was a bad trade and not necessary. I’m on the band wagon that wants to throw Hoover out there in that situation. Sometimes you have to throw them into the fire. The good GM’s and managers know when and where to do it. That is a weakness of Dusty’s. He always errs on the side of precaution and prefers the vets whether they are the best choice or not. The other choices were Marshall, Arredondo, Simon, Ondrusek and Hoover. Not a bad pool of choices. I feel like I am in a spelling bee when I try to type some of those names. I mentioned in yesterday’s thread that we not only lost the service for us value of Joseph and Sulbaran, but we lost their value for another potential trade in the future. We come up empty on Broxton after the season unless he resigns(which is questionable for both sides).
Alan, can’t disagree strongly enough. Those were two rookies Dusty has thrown in that hit big homers last night. Wasn’t it Dusty who has worked in Ondrusek,Leake,Cueto and others as well. This stuff that Dusty doesn’t understand how to use Vets versus rookies is unbelieveable. The team now that is outperforming all others in the central was almost entirely built from within and brought up on Dusty’s watch.To say he perfers this one over that one is crazy. Many things go into the decision as to who plays and who sits. Do most managers perfer someone with a track record, You bet.
Ask Janish, Francisco, Grandal, Boxberger and Joseph. All could have been contributing members of our bench or bull pen. Instead,
we got Cairo, Valdez, Harris and Broxton. I agree he gave Frazier and Cozart a chance(he had no other viable options). There is a fine line between a track record and washed up with older vets.
Alan, Janish was traded for some BADLY needed starting pitching depth. You do realize we have no one behind our 5 starters. Fransisco came to camp fat and out of shape in a make or break year for him. I say good riddance and I didn’t even mention his fielding or walk to strikeout rate. Grandall and Boxberger were dealt for Latos who is a top of the order pitcher who was team controlled for 3 years at time of the deal. Joesph hadn’t pitched in bigs and was terrible last year. We got a proven pitcher in Broxton to fortify the back of our rotation. Cairo was signed by Walt to a 2 year deal after performing very well in a support role. Valdez was signed to a league min contract to back up Cozart after Janish had a terrible season last year. Hindsight is always 20/20. I’ll also add while both Cairo and Valdez have not put up great numbers as subs they have both contributed toward some wins. Yes there is a fine line and we are walking it to the tune of 7 1/2 games in front and 26 over 500.
Do they see Texeria as a starter or is he just the best available to them?
Just a guy who is available.
All my old girlfriends felt the same way.
Mr. Hamilton feat is on the front page on BA…
What are the chances that Votto makes it back before the rosters expand 1 Sept.?
Slim to none, and Slim is on his way out of town. After the setback and with the team playing so well, they will be cautious bringing him back. I’m guessing his first game back will be Sept 3 at home against the Phillies. Then he’ll sit the 4th, play the 5th, off day thr 6th, and back at it the 7th.
If the current W-L trends between CIN-PIT-STL continue, then the Reds could be up 10 games by September 1st. Yeah, there is no good reason to rush Votto back. We need the fresh .350-.400 Votto hitting his stride come October. It’s enough to make one drool :)
Rick and Duke, I agree. It also allows them to delay the decision as to who stays and who goes. When Votto comes back one of Heisey,Cairo,Valdez or Paul will be sent out. Tough decision for Walt. If they wait until rosters expand no one has to leave.
I won’t even say slim to none. I will just say none. There is no chance it happens.
Doug who do you promote toward the end of the season at each minor team to give them a taste for next year?
AA: After their playoff run is over: LaMarre, Greene and 28 yr old Obispo, 27 yr old delaRosa & Serrano, 26 yr old Freeman (Should’ve been promoted midseason to decide Rule 5 draft & Judy released from AAA)
A: 25 yr old Smith (Shouldve been promoted midseason)
a: top players already promoted
PL: Keep team intact for playoff run then 24 yr old Maddox
AZL: Travieso, Salter & OF Matthews C Paula
I think Smith will say in BAkersfield to help them in the playoffs. The guys in AA are fighting for a playoff spot and Louisville is going nowhere.
The AZL/Billings thing is interesting though. Billings is in a playoff spot right now, but they need to keep winning. I doubt Travieso moves up, but maybe a few other guys could head up if they finish out strong.
Good for Billy, can’t wait to see him and the Blue Wahoos pitching staff in Louisville next year!
I liked the idea of getting a former closer and seasoned vet as the 8th inning righty setup guy, but getting rid of Joseph for a rental is just dumb! He has the stuff to be a back end lefty reliever for a long time.
Not mad at the way Dusty handles young guys at all, Hanigan deserves more reps and will get the majority of the reps until his contract runs out. My only gripe is that Heisey should get more reps in CF and why Dusty picks Cairo as the first righty PH over Heisey is a mystery to me.
JER-B, Dusty is using them per the situation. Heisey is much better against hard throwers and has more power. Cairo is a vet and strikes out less. If I need a home run I want Heisey hitting if I want to score a guy with less than 2 outs from 3rd I want Cairo. Those are tweo examples but there are many more. Dusty is managing to the strengths of his players and Needs. he is trying to put each in a postion he can succede in.
Now that Hamilton has the record, do the Reds call him up for the stretch run?
Also, do we have any kind of info on Chacin? Young guy doing well in the Pioneer League. Low ERA as a reliever everywhere he’s been. Too many walks, but other than that seems to get outs.
Tonight’s TBD starters are Serrano & Langfield
Game articles
http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20120821/SPORTS07/308210048/Bats-bad-start-big-comeback-bad-finish-against-Clippers
AA now in 3rd place; needed a sweep or a split vs first place Montgomery: http://www.pnj.com/article/20120822/SPORTS/308220025/Hamilton-steals-Wahoos-swept?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Sports
A: getting ready for playoffs, but who in Dayton deserves a promotion? http://www.bakersfieldcalifornian.com/sports/x290598150/3-pitchers-keep-66ers-in-check
a: Dayton first 3 game win streak and no newspaper article.
PL: http://billingsgazette.com/sports/baseball/professional/minor/pioneer-league/mustangs/mustangs-lose-on-walk-off-homer/article_61c0162b-4bdb-59dd-92ca-410b61fbdc37.html
Gheesh, if Hamilton plays two more weeks he could end up with 160+ steals. It might be one of the most unbreakable records in sports.
Get him to Cincinnati so he’s playoff eligible. I don’t care about the arbitration clock, because if he’s everything we think he’ll be, the Reds will lock him up long term and make arbitration a moot point.