Minor League Game Review – 7/14/13 Doug Gray July 16, 2013 61 Comments Louisville is off for the All-Star Break. Pensacola is off for the All-Star Break. Bakersfield lost 7-5. Box Score Steve Selsky went 1-4 with a run. Juan Silverio went 1-4 with a run and an RBI. Juan Duran went 2-4 with a HR (7) and 2 RBI. Yovan Gonzalez went 1-4 with an RBI. Game Notes The Blaze fell behind early in the game and were down 7-1 and heading into the 9th. The Blaze scored 4 times in the 9th but couldn’t get it closer than that as they fell 7-5. Dayton won 5-1. Box Score Seth Mejias-Brean went 3-5 with a triple, RBI and a run. Jesse Winker went 1-4 with a walk, run and an RBI. Tanner Rahier went 1-3 with a run. Daniel Pigott went 1-4 with a double and an RBI. Brent Peterson went 1-4 with a run. Drew Cisco allowed a run in 6 innings with 2 strikeouts. Joel Bender threw 2.2 shutout innings with a walk and a strikeout. Game Notes Despite a real strong start that lowered his ERA to 3.61 on the season, Drew Cisco left the game trailing 1-0. The Dragons stayed scoreless until the 8th inning when they dropped five runs as 10 batters came to the plate and every run came off of the bat of a different player. Joel Bender came out for the 8th and 9th after finishing the 7th and shut the River Bandits down. Michael Lorenzen pitched to just 3 batters before being taken out of the game. No word on whether or not it was injury related or not, but it did seem strange with how he was removed. Billings won 8-7. Box Score Gabriel Rosa went 2-4 with a HR (2) and 2 RBI. Ty Washington went 1-4 with an RBI. Daniel Paula went 2-5 with a run. Jose Ortiz went 2-4 with a double, walk and 2 runs. Robert Ramirez went 1-4 with a run. Nick Benedetto went 3-4 with a double, run and 2 RBI. Ronald Bueno went 2-3 with a walk and a run. Layne Somsen threw 2.2 shutout innings with 2 strikeouts. Anel De Los Santos threw 1.2 shutout innings with a walk and 3 strikeouts. Game Notes Jose Guzman struggled as he allowed 6 runs in 1.1 innings before leaving the game. The bullpen picked up the slack as they allowed 1 run over the next 7.2 innings with 9 strikeouts and 2 walks. The offense had 14 hits with Gabriel Rosa, Daniel Paula, Jose Ortiz, Nick Benedetto and Ronald Bueno all having multiple hits. AZL Reds lost 5-4 in 11 innings. Box Score Aristides Aquino went 2-5 with a double, RBI and a run. Jose Fernandez went 2-5 with 2 doubles and a run. Oviel Florentino went 2-4 with a double, 2 RBI and a run. Bernardo Moreta threw 3 shutout innings with 2 strikeouts. Zack Weiss threw a perfect inning with a strikeout. Fabian Roman threw 2 shutout innings with a strikeout. Evan Mitchell was charged with an unearned run in an inning of work with a walk and a strikeout. Game Notes The game was tied at three after 2 innings and neither team would score again until the tenth when each team scored a single run. The Reds went scoreless in the top of the 11th. The Brewers scored to end the game in the bottom of the inning. 7/16 Game Preview Team 1st half 2nd half Time Probable Box Score Listen Live Watch Live Louisville 48-51 N/A OFF OFF Here Here Here Pensacola 25-44 12-12 OFF OFF Here Here Here Bakersfield 29-41 8-18 OFF OFF Here Here N/A Dayton 28-41 13-12 OFF OFF Here Here N/A Billings 10-14 N/A OFF OFF Here Here Here AZL Reds 7-13 N/A OFF OFF Here N/A N/A 61 Responses Tim Endres July 16, 2013 Wow! I cant believe i just read an article from a Cincinnati writer who thinks the Reds should include Chapman in a deal for Stanton. I have always loved that idea but i never thought it would go anywhere but Doug’s website. http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130715/COL19/307150099/Erardi-Reds-should-trade-Chapman RDriesen July 16, 2013 I don’t know if we should trade him in a deal for Stanton, but we should trade him before his next contract if we aren’t going to make him a starter. He will be getting paid too much money to be pitching the few innings that he does. terry m July 16, 2013 Lets put Chapman, Soto, Corcino, Mano and Barnhart in a package and see if we could get this done. Pittsburg and St. Louis found closers why can’t we ? It’s a waste with all that money and talent tied up in a closer like Chapman. MK July 16, 2013 Are we getting Barry Bonds in his prime? Herbie July 16, 2013 Even if you’re getting the other killer bee, it’d be well worth it. Dick July 16, 2013 OK Doug, Down and (Doug) dirty. Best closer in the system right now? Best closer in the system potentially? Tim Endres July 16, 2013 What about Chapman and Cueto in a deal for Stanton?? I really like Cueto but with his contract ending and all these injuries we have to trade him. KyWilson1 July 16, 2013 Why not just make Cueto a closer? He struggles to stay healthy all year. mike July 16, 2013 5 people including Chapman to get Stanton is insane,while i agree closer is a very overrated position,there is no way I give away Chapmans arm AND any other top 10 prospect,I would maybe do chapman and soto or chapman and someone from dayton not named stephenson,winker,brean,rahier..basically if i am giving up Chapman they are getting a very marginal prospect from the lower levels!!! Kindell July 16, 2013 You wouldn’t trade Chapman and Mejias-Brean for GianCarlo Stanton? Stanton is one of the premiere young power hitters in the game. His numbers are lower this year but he has absolutely no protection in the lineup. If I was pitching against the Marlins, there is no way he sees a strike. Could you imagine going through the first five in our lineup at GABP (Choo,Phillips,Votto,Stanton,Bruce). If the Marlins were crazy enough to ask for only Chapman and Mejias-Brean or Rahier, I couldn’t buy them a plane ticket to Miami fast enough. mike July 16, 2013 Tell me who has a better arm in baseball than Chapman,i will give you Verlander maybe Strasburg Harvey Kershaw.No way any of those teams trade any of those guys for Stanton,If an organization with a half of a brain(take that back,i think walt wants him to be a starter but he is fighting Dusty) makes him a starter like they should he will be one of the 10 best starters in the league!!! KyWilson1 July 16, 2013 King Felix, Jose Fernandez, Yu Darvish, David Price, Matt Scherzer just to name a few arms that are better. Based on potential there are many equal to him, as he has 2 great pitches and a below average change. Stanton would require Chapman+ at least a top 100 prospect , and a low level prospect. If Chapman+a low level prospect could get Mike Olt and Profar thats a deal I would like to see. mike July 16, 2013 Keep in mind chapman is only 25(we think) with only 170 innings pitched in his career,thats not even 1 full season for a starter!!! RDriesen July 16, 2013 He isn’t a starter though. We need to trade him if we aren’t going to make him a starter and what makes any of us think we will with the way they have handled him. mike July 16, 2013 I agree 1000%,If I am the Marlins I make the trade straight up,Day 1 I send him to single A build his arm strength and he is their opening day starter 2014. Kindell July 16, 2013 The difference between those guys and Chapman are that they are established starters, not just starters. We are not even sure that he can start for an entire season. There has been a few successful cases of going from closer to starter but most fail at it. Dusty has no intentions of ever letting him start, and Stanton would give us way more value. I agree that if Chapman was starting and living up to his potential, that would be a different story. Right now the Reds have not given him that shot, and the longer he stays a closer, the harder it will be to go back to a starter. CoachD178 July 16, 2013 I would give Chapman and give any 2 or 3 prospects not named Stephenson, Hamilton or Rahier if at all possible. But in reality, the only untouchable guy in my system would be Stephenson. Stanton is a 23-year old who already has 103 home runs. Putting him between Joey Votto and Jay Bruce would give the Reds arguably the best 2-5 lineup in baseball. You have to do what you have to do to make that happen. Look at some of the guys closing in the league right now. You are telling me the Reds can’t find someone already on the roster or in the system to do that? If they can’t, fine, go trade for Glen Perkins or Steve Cishek. But in reality closers are overrated, and if Aroldis Chapman can’t start than he doesn’t have the value he previously had. I’m not just going to trade him to trade him, but if he brought back Stanton you have to do it. But it’s a pipe dream. I just don’t see Miami trading Stanton. Tim Endres July 16, 2013 I say give them Chapman and anyone not named Stephenson and Winker. I think if the Reds went at the Marlins very strong it would be very hard to turn them down with the way they like to collect young talent. What about going after Jason Heyward and offering them Cueto? CoachD178 July 16, 2013 I love Winker, but if you get Stanton I have to wonder where Winker plays if he does in fact pan out. You’d have Stanton in LF and Bruce in RF. Neither of those guys are CF’s and Winker is definitely not a CF. At that point you’d have to hope that either Hamilton (assuming he’s not part of the trade), Reynosa or Ervin pan out as a CF for the Reds. Doug Gray July 16, 2013 Bruce is going to be a free agent in a few years, same for Stanton. There should be plenty of room for Winker in the outfield in a few years. The Duke July 16, 2013 Even if Winker spends all of the next three seasons in the minors with a full year at each level, he’d still only be 23 when he got to the bigs in 2017 Jer-B July 16, 2013 I like the idea of trading Chapman in a Stanton deal, but doubt Florida would want him unless they feel he could start. They are more likely looking for “building blocks” and would need Hamilton or Cingrani as a starting point if Stephenson is indeed untouchable. As far a a closer replacement, Sam Lecure would be my choice. mike July 16, 2013 Chapman arguably has the best arm in baseball,just because the reds are idiots and havent made him a starter doesnt change that,HE SHOULD BE A STARTER,beyond that I cant believe people are willing to add anybody else of any VALUE to get a lifetime .268 below average defensive outfielder,Stanton IMO best comparable is Adam Dunn.I would still love to add him but no way i am giving up much more than Chapman.I almost think chapman for stanton straight up is pretty fair!!! Tim Endres July 16, 2013 Wow u are actually comparing Mike Stanton to Adam Dunn. mike July 16, 2013 If u compare their numbers their 1st 4 years Dunn 118 HR’s 238 rbi’s ops .948 854 819 956 Stanton 103 HR’s 259 rbi’s ops 833 893 969 815 Dunn 465 K’s his 1st 4years Stanton 421 K’s with 2 1/2 months to go so he is going to be right at the same number when the season is over!!! Stanton maybe marginally better defense,but lets face it both of them are not going to win you any games with the leather!!!! I would say the comparison is spot on Doug Gray July 16, 2013 Stanton is actually a very good defender. mike July 16, 2013 the night Cingrani made his debut,he looked like he was playing right field on ice skates!!! Doug Gray July 16, 2013 And Joey Votto struck out 3 times in a game once or five times too. We also need to note that Stanton had just come off of the DL for that game and headed back to it pretty quickly there after. He wasn’t healthy. For his entire career, he has been a very strong defender. Reds fans seem to remember a bad series when he was hurt and think that is indicative of his play. It isn’t. Dude is fantastic in the field. Herbie July 16, 2013 Jose Fernandez got beat up by the Reds as well. Kid can’t pitch. CoachD178 July 16, 2013 The stats you use are a bit misleading. First of all, Dunn was a full year older than Stanton his first year. He was 21 as a rookie and Stanton was just 20. Dunn had 212 more at bats than Stanton with a BA of .249 compared to Stanton’s .268. Despite 212 fewer AB’s Stanton has 91 doubles compared to Dunn’s 92. He has 7 triples compared to Dunn’s 5. If Stanton stays on the same pace he has his first four years he’d have 229 extra base hits compared to Dunn’s 214. Let’s also not forget one very, very important factor when considering the comparison. Dunn played in a ballpark that was very hitter friendly, especially for lefty’s. Stanton has played his four years in two different parks that were pitcher friendly parks. He also played in a division with other pitcher friendly parks (Turner Field, Citi Park, Shea Stadium). Dunn played in a division that favors hitters more so than pitchers. That has to be factored in. mike July 16, 2013 I also thought Dunn was a pretty good player when he was here!!! mike July 16, 2013 Also looks like per his twitter Robert Stephenson has been promoter to bakersfield Robert Stephenson ?@robsteev44 10h so excited to go home!!!! #onestepcloser @BakoBlaze The Duke July 16, 2013 Good stuff, and I’m glad he is getting some time in Bakersfield and not sent directly to Pensacola. I’m glad I got to see him pitch live this year. mike July 16, 2013 I think people are underestimating the potential of a great arm,not to long ago The Reds traded Josh Hamilton for Volquez who was basically unproven in the minor leagues because he threw 96.Guys that throw reguarly 97-102 do not grow on trees!!! terry m July 16, 2013 Thing is he now thinks he should be a closer. Don’t know how he got to this point because their is a split within the REDS. Starter or closer. The whole situation has not been handled well..I feel his arm has been wasted. I don’t think he did very well when he started at Louisville if I remember correctly. Kindell July 16, 2013 I don’t think anyone is underestimating the value of a power arm. Value does not come from how hard he throws, but in what he brings to the team. It doesn’t matter if he threw 110 mph, if he is only pitching 38 innings in the first half. Closers with a 2.72 ERA are a lot easier to find than an outfielder with 40-50 HR power. mike July 16, 2013 I guess my argument should be he should be a starter!!! if he is a starter his value is over the top and I dont think we are having this discussion,Do we want to trade Latos for Stanton right now,I dont!! Doug Gray July 16, 2013 But he isn’t going to be a starter, so that point is rather moot. No one is trading Latos for Stanton because Latos is and will continue to be a starter of elite caliber. Chapman, on this team, has next to no chance to be a starting pitcher. mike July 16, 2013 so do u agree to take one of your best arms(chapman) and make him a closer is a terrible idea?? Tim Endres July 16, 2013 If Chapman was a starter no way we trade him but he isnt and he never will be a starter with the Reds. Doug Gray July 16, 2013 I think it depends on the arm. I think the Braves best pure arm is Kimbrel, but I also don’t have a clue if he could start. I don’t know if he has enough pitches or the stamina to start. But I would never put a guy in the bullpen for the long haul who I thought had a chance to be an elite starter before giving them plenty of rope as a starter. mike July 16, 2013 Also from a Marlins standpoint if they could convert him to a starter with Fernandez and Chapman at the top of their rotation they would be scary!!! Kindell July 16, 2013 You are forgetting about Jacob Turner. mike July 16, 2013 I really think the marlins would do it, Chapman would be loved by the cuban community,they have nothing to lose this year if they could get his arm stength built up that rotation would be sick!!! RDriesen July 16, 2013 Chapman has pitched 38.2 innings so far this year. That ties him for 240th in the major leagues. He has pitched the 9th most innings on the Reds. He may be an elite pitcher, but the Reds don’t use him like they should. They need to trade him if this is how they are going to continue to use him. nycdave July 16, 2013 No way the Marlins trade Stanton. He’s the guy they’re going to rebuild around. And, by the way, the Marlins have a better record than the Reds over the last month or so. They are already headed in the right direction. With 3 more years of club control over Stanton, it would be insane for them to give this guy up. Tim Endres July 16, 2013 this is the same team that did trade M. Cabrera mike July 16, 2013 The more I think about it I would trade Chapman and Hamilton for Stanton,give the 4 million we save to Choo and sign him 3 years 33 million,now u guys really think i am crazy The Duke July 16, 2013 Choo will get 6+ years and $90-$100 mil mike July 16, 2013 for some reason i was thinking Choo was 35 instead of 31,so he will get more than 3 years,we do have Arroyo’s contract coming off the books,could maybe do 5 years 60 mil,didnt Bourne end up settling for like 10mil a yr last year nycdave July 16, 2013 I’d trade Chapman and Hamilton for Stanton in a heartbeat. The Marlins won’t do it. The Duke July 16, 2013 I’d try to start with that, then throw in Corcino as a sweetener. mike July 16, 2013 If they wouldnt do that,then they are not trading him pure and simple!!! mike July 16, 2013 I dont think they are going to get a 2 time all star and two of a teams top 5 prospects from anybody else for stanton!!! Doug Gray July 16, 2013 2-time All-star has very little meaning without context. I bet a whole bunch of teams would trade the equivalent of that package for Stanton and be glad to do it. mike July 16, 2013 so you think the twins would give up Perkins(closer) buxton #1 prospect and kyle gibson 4th best prospect for stanton The Duke July 16, 2013 Buxton is the top prospect in the game, and Gibson is well ahead of Corcino at this point. mike July 16, 2013 and chapman is better than perkins nycdave July 16, 2013 The Twins aren’t even close to being competitive. You’re comparing apples to oranges. Doug Gray July 16, 2013 No, I don’t. But Byron Buxton isn’t comparable to another prospect in baseball right now. I would trade Chapman straight up for Buxton and feel like I fleeced the Twins. MK July 16, 2013 Marlins will not want Chapman. If they won’t pay Stanton then they won’t pay Chapman. I wish Robert Stephenson well. Heard the news last night when I picked up my boys after the road trip. He is really a quality kid. I like the idea of him getting to pitch in Bakersfield which should help prepare him for GABP. Tanner Rahier commented he liked playing shortstop, as it was like coming home. I remember Edwin Encarnacion played some short at Dayton as well.