Cincinnati Reds invite 12 minor leaguers to spring training Doug Gray December 18, 2015 59 Comments The Cincinnati Reds have extended spring training invites to 12 of their minor league players (they have signed several minor leaguers to free agent deals this winter as well, also handing out a few invites along the way). OF Jesse Winker The Reds #2 prospect spent the entire season with the Double-A Pensacola Blue Wahoos. After a slow start to the season he would go on to win the organizations Hitter of the Year Award, posting a .282/.390/.433 line with 74 walks and 83 strikeouts in 526 plate appearances. RHP Nick Travieso The Reds #3 prospect spent his entire 2015 season with the Daytona Tortugas where he posted a 2.70 ERA in 93.1 innings over the course of 19 starts. The 21-year-old was then sent to the Arizona Fall League where he posted a 2.05 ERA in 22.0 innings for Peoria. LHP Cody Reed The Reds #5 prospect spent his season with the Kansas City Royals Advanced-A and Double-A clubs before being traded to the Reds in late July where he joined the Pensacola Blue Wahoos to finish his season. Between the three stops the 22-year-old lefty posted a 2.41 ERA in 145.2 innings pitched with 144 strikeouts. OF Phillip Ervin The Reds #7 prospect began his season in Daytona with the Tortugas, but made a late season appearance with the Double-A Blue Wahoos. Between the two stops the 22-year-old outfielder hit .241/.346/.379 with 66 walks and 98 strikeouts with an organizational best 14 home runs. He also added in 34 stolen bases. 2B Alex Blandino The Reds #8 prospect, like Ervin, began the year with the Daytona Tortugas before joining the Pensacola squad late in the season. At the two stops he would hit .278/.364/.420 with 49 walks and 77 strikeouts in 480 plate appearances. The 22-year-old infielder also added 25 doubles, two triples and 10 home runs on the season. RHP Zack Weiss The Reds #17 prospect, and top relief prospect spent most of his season in Double-A Pensacola after a month at the start of the year with the Daytona Tortugas. The 23-year-old righty racked up 30 saves and posted a 1.98 ERA in 63.2 innings pitched with just 15 walks and he added in 90 strikeouts. RHP Tim Adleman The just turned 28-year-old right hander has split time between the bullpen and rotation with Double-A Pensacola over the last two seasons. In 2015, exclusively with theBlue Wahoos he posted a 2.64 ERA in 150.0 innings with 49 walks and 113 strikeouts. SS Carlton Daal Daal played his 2015 season with the Daytona Tortugas. He split time at both shortstop and at second base during the season, but has seen a majority of his time at shortstop throughout his career. He would hit .270/.311/.286 with 21 walks and 61 strikeouts in 415 plate appearances this past season. RHP Drew Hayes The right handed relieving Hayes spent most of his season with the Louisville Bats, but did pitch in four games with the Pensacola Blue Wahoos. Between the two stops he posted a 2.69 ERA in 47 appearances that spanned 63.2 innings pitched. He allowed just two home runs, walked 31 batters and had 60 strikeouts. C Joe Hudson The 24-year-old catcher spent his entire season with the Daytona Tortugas. Offensively he would hit .214/.303/.342 with 31 walks and 70 strikeouts in 81 games. More known for his defense, Hudson threw out 50% of opposing base stealers for the second consecutive season and helped guide a young pitching staff to a team ERA of 3.11 on the season. RHP Layne Somsen The right handed reliever split his time between Double-A Pensacola and Triple-A Louisville, working as a long reliever and fill-in starter. In 27 appearances, the 26-year-old posted a 2.74 ERA between his two stops, tossing 62.1 innings with just three home runs allowed, 30 walks and 60 strikeouts. He headed out to the Arizona Fall League after the season and posted a 3.38 ERA in 10.2 innings with 13 strikeouts for Peoria. C Chad Wallach The other half of the catching duo for the Daytona Tortugas, splitting time with Joe Hudson and also seeing time at first base, Wallach would post a .246/.327/.351 line in the Florida State League in 2015 at the plate with 39 walks and 77 strikeouts. Behind the plate he threw out 22% of opposing base stealers, but didn’t make a single error on the season behind the plate. From this group it would seem that it’s the relief crew that has the best shot at breaking north with the big league club. The Reds seem to be wide open when it comes to possible relievers for the 2016 season. Both Somsen and Hayes have Triple-A experience, but Adleman and Weiss both were dominant in Double-A. 59 Responses Herzog December 18, 2015 Do you see – if Chapman gets traded – Adleman and/or Weiss making the bullpen out of ST with one of them competing for the Closer role? I assume if one would close, it would be Weiss. Doug Gray December 18, 2015 There’s next to no chance that Adleman is getting the closers role. I could see Weiss eventually finding that role, but not out of the spring and not immediately when he does make the team. They will ease him in as a 7th inning type, probably, then into more important areas if he shows success and there is a need. It’s not often you see a rookie step directly into a closers role. Tom Gray December 18, 2015 This guy http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/francjo01.shtml was Reds rookie in 1984 but didn’t become closer until 1986. I’m pretty sure he is better than either Adleman or Weiss. MK December 18, 2015 Tom back a little farther, Tom Hume made the big leagues in 1977 did not become closer until 1979 Tom Gray December 19, 2015 Boom Boom Hume was a SP somewhere along the line also. But it took him a while to become Closer. Very rarely are rookie P made the Closer on MLB teams. dale December 18, 2015 What would it take for Winker to make the club out of spring training? I doubt it happens considering service clocks and all that political non sense but what would it take in a non salary concern alternate universe kind of a way? Doug Gray December 18, 2015 In an alternate universe where simply being the best option is what it takes, him showing up and performing like we know he can would probably take the job. But, service time, a lost 2016 and eight other corner outfield options mean it’s incredibly unlikely to happen. Tom Gray December 18, 2015 Pete Rose made the Reds out of AA in 1963 by having a really good spring. Winker can do it the same way. Jer-B December 18, 2015 That’s was Pete Rose & 53 years ago Tom Gray December 19, 2015 How about Vada Pinson and 58 years ago? Or Chris Sabo just 28 years ago? Too bad some Reds fans know next to nothing about their team. Doug Gray December 19, 2015 Tom, Just stop. You’re wrong and finding something about a late 20’s rookie thirty years ago doesn’t change that. Jim t December 19, 2015 Tom truly you have to see that the difference in economics of the two era’s has a huge impact on the outcome of who makes the team and when. You should be banned for two weeks for making people waste good reading time with such nonsense. As a fellow senior citizen please stop. Tom Gray December 19, 2015 Baloney. There is no difference. Economics plays NO ROLE WHATSOEVER. Maybe on a few teams but NOT ON THE REDS. Winker is a good OF prospect, not a superstar. If he has a really good spring, he’ll make the Reds in 2016. Like Vada Pinson in 1958. He ultimately wasn’t ready but that’s how he made the team in spring training. Doug Gray December 19, 2015 Tom, you’re nuts if you truly believe that economics play no role whatsoever or that there is no difference today versus the 50s-80s in how teams go about calling guys up. Absolutely nuts. For crying out loud, the Chicago Cubs, a team that can literally print money, kept Kris Bryant in the minor leagues for two weeks this year so they could get an additional year of service out of him. He hit .425 and slugged over 1.100 in the spring. And didn’t make the team. When they thought they could contend. Take a step back. Think about it. Admit you’re incorrect. It will be ok. RobL December 19, 2015 Doug, I was about to totally back you up, but after thinking about it, Tom is half right. If the Reds were contending in ’16 and felt like they were a corner outfielder away from being a front runner, the Reds would break camp with Winker if they thought he was ready. Look no farther back than Billy Hamilton, who was a more highly rated prospect. If the Reds feel they can win, they don’t worry about six years down the road. Where Tom is wrong is that the Reds have no delusions of contending in ’16. Thus, there is no way they start Winker’s clock by jumping him over AAA. However, don’t we all feel Peraza will open the season as the Reds second baseman? What about his service time? Doug Gray December 19, 2015 I don’t think they would. They’d call him up on April 20th, still get 500+ PA’s out of him, but also get an additional year of control. It would be the Kris Bryant situation all over again. Billy Hamilton had been up the prior year, so they would have had to keep him down until some point in May to get that extra year out of him. With Peraza, he’s not the kind of player that’s likely to ever command the kind of money teams worry about. The Juan Pierre’s and Dee Gordon’s don’t get paid like the guys that hit the ball over the fence. RobL December 19, 2015 I see your point on Hamilton. As for the Reds and Winker, I still feel that you are drawing conclusions without real evidence. What you are saying would be smart, but Bob and Walt really want to win, so… And don’t sleep on Pierre’s earning power, he signed a 5 yr 44 million dollar deal in 2007. In today’s money, you could almost double that. And Gordon has put up 7.8 WAR over the last two seasons. If he keeps that up, he will collect a nice check. Hell, Heyward signed for 180+ million based more on defense than power. Andrew December 19, 2015 Doug didn’t Elvis Andrys sign a 6 year $120 million dollar contract? I’m pretty sure if him and Billy had a power contest, Billy right handed might win. Andrys has next to nothing in power and still demanded big money even though he was still controllable via arbitration???? Doug Gray December 19, 2015 Andrus is an interesting point. He’s a different animal than Peraza though. Similar speed, not much power (though Andrus certainly has more than is expected from Peraza). The big difference though, is that Andrus is/was a plus defender at shortstop. Peraza isn’t even going to be used as a shortstop. Rob brings up an interesting one with Pierre too, but I think I was more talking about comparing the earnings of a guy like Bryant/Bruce, assuming the pan out like you believe they could. Those guys are Top 5% earners in the game. While Andrus certainly got a nice contract, no one was confusing his deal with the one Alex Rodriguez signed. Jim t December 19, 2015 RobL, really the basis of you point is Bob and Walt may think they can contend in 2016. You must really think these Guys are the dumbest people in sports. They have stated publicly this is not going to be the case. No way Winker makes the team out of ST. If he does I’ll find another team to root for because with the intelligence level of this front office we have no chance to win. RobL December 19, 2015 Jim T, you obviously misread my post. In my first one, I clearly stated that the Reds have no delusions of competing in ’16. In my next post, I was merely saying that in a year that Bob and Walt felt they could compete, I am not so sure they would hold Winker, or anyone else for that matter, out for two weeks. The economics of 5 years down the road be damned for a shot at a World Series. Not talking about ’16, just in general. Sorry for not being clearer. Jim t December 19, 2015 RobL I got ya. That said, in today’s economics holding him out is exactly what they would do to get another year of control. If they wouldn’t in the market they reside in they would be insane. Look at Cubs and Bryant. That is where the game is going especially with smaller market clubs. Andrew December 19, 2015 Aren’t we all leaving Mike Leake out of the conversation? MK December 18, 2015 I could realistically see four guys on the list make the big league roster out of sprin training or at least in May to save a year of service. Weiss, Hayes, Aldeman and Winker. They might even start the year as team will have to create some sort of positive ST story to get the fan base aka ticket sales enthused. RFM December 18, 2015 I thought Josh Smith remained in the organization. He stinks, but I sorta expected him to be invited to camp to work out of the bullpen. I mean, if Adleman got an invite. I was surprised to see Daal invited, and Seth Mejias-Brean… not. Neither hits too well, but at least the later is closer to the the majors. I sorta thought that if you invite one you’d invite the other. MK December 19, 2015 You are kinda giving Carlton’s bat too little respect. He has hit in the .290 and .270 ran get the last two years and Seth has struggled at the plate a little albeit at higher levels. Left handed hitting middle infielders are a nice commodity for roster balance. RobL December 19, 2015 Daal didn’t slug .290 last year. He had 6 doubles in 103 hits. He has to hit with a little bit of authority. Mark December 19, 2015 Tom gray, please offer something besides disagreeing with someone on every post you make. Mark December 19, 2015 It would also be nice if we stayed on topic for once. Please don’t respond with a link to what kind of obp Moses had. MK December 19, 2015 Way off the subject but I see Brad Penny signed a minor league contract with the Blue Jays. That guy has more lives than a cat. With his proclivity to bring in old junk I am surprised Walt has never taken a shot on him. Andrew December 19, 2015 Careful. There’s a lot of time between now and April for Walt to do just that. HavaKlu December 19, 2015 I wonder if the Reds made an offer to Ryan Vogelsong who signed with the Pirates for 2 mil—–he would have made a low price addition for the veteran starter they profess to want. Also, other than Melville, Wood and Ramirez, they have done nothing for the bull pen—-my guess is that’s because they will fill out the pen with starters who don’t make the rotation. Hunt4redsoct December 19, 2015 One thing to remember early in spring training there are few minor leaguers at the facility until their camp starts. The reds need players to cover all positions for those early spring games where no one plays more than 4-5 innings. Not much on 40 man beyond Peraza, Suarez, de jesus and a rehabbing Cozart. Can’t burn them out in first weeks. WVRon December 19, 2015 Carlton Daal is a bit of a surprise to me. Is it possible that they’ve added enough middle infielders that they feel like they can trade someone? Could this be a case of them showcasing him? Tom Gray December 19, 2015 Don Gullett in 1970. Gary Nolan in 1967. Both made jump from A ball to Reds. Why not someone this year? Doug Gray December 19, 2015 How about you come up with an example, from somewhere around baseball, in the last five years (not the last 55). I know of a few. But they don’t happen frequently. Andrew December 19, 2015 MIKE freaking LEAKE skipped every level! And the Rule 5 list is pretty long but Canha and DeDhields immediately come to mind. Not to mention Josh Hamilton. Andrew December 19, 2015 Mike Leake!!!!!!!! And the rule 5 draft has quite.m a few every year of course. It happens. Canha and DeShields immediately come to mind Doug Gray December 19, 2015 Now you’re talking! That’s one of the ones. DeShields and Canha don’t count. They were Rule 5 players. They had no choice but to stick. I’m talking about legit top prospects in their early 20’s. Not guys in their mid 20’s who won’t reach free agency until they are 30, or non-top prospects who teams don’t view as potential stars that will command a lot of money in years “5 and 6” (which will likely be years 6 and 7 since they almost all work that two week in the minors game to get that extra year) of their control. swayback8 December 19, 2015 I think Tom is just trying to get you guys worked up. The Mike Leake example is legit, however Josh Hamilton was a rule 5 guy as well. With Mike though I don’t think anyone saw star potential out of. I think that most saw him as a three starter at best, so therefore no one thought he was going to break the bank. And I’m not sure he will be paid as a top pitcher now either. With the way the market is going I think he may get a nice yearly amount, but not a long term contract anywhere near $100 million. Doug Gray December 19, 2015 It sounds like Leake is seeking 5-75. I think that’s a bargain for him given the kind of money being thrown around in baseball. Andrew December 19, 2015 Roberto osuna of the Blue Jays after being listed as a top 100 prospect in the 2013 and 2014 seasons jumped from throwing 22 innings in A+ ball in 2014 to spending the whole 2015 season on the Blue Jays. He played the whole season in 2015 at 20 years old. Andrew December 19, 2015 Chris Sale is another prominent example that comes to mind. Maybe tossed 20 innings in the minors MK December 19, 2015 Iglesias last year made the team out of Spring Training. Though he was sent back later he was onopeningbdat roster. Andrew December 19, 2015 Iglesias is playing on an MLB contract. Service time doesn’t matter really MK December 19, 2015 Service time is service time a guy on aminor league contract who makes the team and signs a big league contract gets service time a guy on a big league contract who goes to the minors does not. Only d. Inference is the use of sn option to be sent to minors. Victor Vollhardt December 19, 2015 I know you don’t want to count Rule 5 guys–But Odubel Herrera for the Phillies came from a combo year before of A and AA and wound up having a great year. Andrew December 19, 2015 The point is regardless of where and when Iglesias pitched in 2015 would not have changed his contract status. If he was on the big league club all if 2015 Iglesias wouldn’t be s free agent any sooner. That is the topic of conversation here…moving a players service clock prematurely Victor Vollhardt December 19, 2015 Tom Gray—you stick with what you saying, Every now and then comes a player who cannot not be denied. And yes economics play a part–the paying fans want to see this whiz, And you left out Frank Robinson–class A ball 1955— NL rookie of the year 1956. DHud December 21, 2015 If Kris Bryant wasn’t a cannot be denied player last year then we will never see one again in our lifetime. Andrew December 19, 2015 Sorry for the double post. But in the year Leake made the jump the new CBA was in effect and the Reds were not expected to compete Daryl December 19, 2015 And the Reds blow it. Should’ve done whatever they needed to don’t get rid of BP. Daryl December 19, 2015 That should say to get rid of BP. Andrew December 19, 2015 Word is Phillips demanded an am extension. Still feel that way? Daryl December 19, 2015 Nope. Smart move from the Nats. Steve December 19, 2015 Hopefully the Reds sit BP on the bench! Play the young guys. jbonireland December 19, 2015 Yes me too however smart money says they won’t which ultimately will delay they rebuild. Don’t see how this is the Reds fault. They found a deal to move Phillips, it was up to accept or reject it. Maybe blame them for the poor deal they made two years ago but not for this. I’d say they are probably done until Chapman can be moved and the return will be less than we all think it should be. Colt Holt December 19, 2015 Phillips is a fan favorite and so committed to the organization that he would rather play for a losing team than move his family to another city with another organization. From a business standpoint, the Reds won’t save some money, but lets be serious, he is not overpaid at current market (reference Ben Zobrist contract who will likely be less of a player in two years when he has roughly 2/27 left). The trade itself would have likely brought little value back into the organization. A lot worse could happen a 10 year vet who is a fan favorite staying committed to his team/city. For as bad as the Reds will be in 2016/2017, he will be one of the few things worth coming to the park for. Pereza can handle a year more in the minors. You never know what 2017 will bring. Victor Vollhardt December 20, 2015 To COLT HOLT—as long as there is no “fallout” of bad feelings on either side—I agree with you 100%– sometimes the best deals are the ones that DON’T happen. If everybody is right that 2016 and maybe 2017 are down and out years than it might be nice that the” Phillips Show” will be playing at our local ballpark and media devices. Also hope the beat writers write about the game and not about their feelings.