Nick Travieso recovering from a shoulder injury Doug Gray February 14, 2017 26 Comments Spring training is barely here and the Cincinnati Reds have already gotten bad news on two pitchers on the 40-man roster. Homer Bailey had to have his elbow scoped to remove bone spurs, setting him back 4-6 weeks at the very least. Today we learned from Cincinnati Enquirer beat writer Zach Buchanan that Nick Travieso is recovering from a shoulder injury. Travieso dealt with scapular dyskinesis. “Yeah, I know. I was surprised when I heard it too. ‘Can I get a vowel, please?’” — Zach Buchanan (@ZachENQ) February 13, 2017 I didn’t go to medical school, and the odds are, you didn’t either. However, even if you did, this may not be your field of expertise. Here’s what the internet tells me about scapular dyskinesis: Abnormal movement of the shoulder blade (scapula) is known as scapula dyskinesis. This occurs in a variety of shoulder problems. It is an important sign of an underlying shoulder disorder and a guide to shoulder rehabilitation. There are apparently three different types of scapular dyskinesis. Here’s what shoulderdoc.com says about them: Type 1 – Infero-medial scapula border prominence This becomes more evident in the cocking position of overhead sports. It is often associated with tightness at the anterior side of the shoulder (in flexibility of the pectoralis major/ minor muscles) and weakness of the lower trapezius and serratus anterior muscles. Posterior tipping of the scapula is responsible for functional narrowing of the subacromial space during the overhead motion, leading to pain in the abduction/externally rotated position. This is often noticed in the early stages of shoulder disorders. Type 2 – Medial border prominence This pattern is winging of the entire medial border of the scapula at rest. It becomes more prominent in the cocking position and after repetitive elevation of the upper extremity. It is caused by fatigue of the scapula stabilising muscles (trapezius and rhomboids). Type 3 – supero-medial border prominence This type of dyskinesis is displayed as a prominence of the superior medial border of the scapula and often associated with impingement and rotator cuff injury. There’s still a lot here that honestly goes over my head as a non-doctor. Here’s something that Zach Buchanan also tweeted out earlier: Nick Travieso is apparently recovering from a shoulder ailment, and is restarting his throwing program. So he’s behind everyone else. — Zach Buchanan (@ZachENQ) February 13, 2017 How far behind everyone else that puts him, I’m not entirely sure. We will probably find out more information as spring training moves forward. In the facebook chat session with Zach Buchanan and C. Trent Rosecrans I asked about it and they expanded on it a little bit. Both noted that Nick Travieso says it’s behind him at this point and the rehab work went well. That he feels better and stronger at this point. Hopefully this was just a small hiccup. We’ve seen shoulder issues that popped up in the past for guys where rehab worked just fine (Travis Wood and Homer Bailey both jump out as guys where shoulder rehab worked great for them). At the same time, we’ve seen other examples where rehab didn’t quite go as well. Time will tell, but at least from what we are hearing now, this seems to be a minor issue along the road. 26 Responses Steve February 14, 2017 Thanks for the news Doug. If Travieso isn’t able to start the season healthy, looks like Bonilla, the recent acquisition can fill in as a starter or Astin, a swing pitcher to complete the starting rotation in Louisville. Hope the rehab continues to go well and that we see a healthy Travieso sometime early in the new season. Reply Steve February 14, 2017 Doug, as ST is set to begin, are you surprised that 3 players that were once pretty high prospects with the Reds, are not signed with any ballclub? I’m talking about Lutz, YRod and Duran. Also, whatever happened to Ryan Wright? Please reply with any info on these players and anyone else that is in some unusual circumstances at the moment. Thanks Reply Doug Gray February 14, 2017 Wright retired, I believe. I’m more surprised that Rodriguez isn’t signed than anyone else. Lutz is in his late 20’s at this point (28), so it’s not completely unsurprising that he’s still out there. He did hit quite well in the Australian League during the offseason – but he was significantly older than most players. Reply Steve February 14, 2017 Thanks Doug. Thought Wright was still moving up in the organization. I guess the Reds have no interest in signing YRod back on a minor league contract. I think there will be some tough decisions on the starting 5 in Daytona and Dayton. Who do you see coming out the winners? Of course, assuming everyone is healthy. I’m thinking Crawford, Lopez, Strahan, Armstrong and Bautista at Daytona and Santillan, Kahaloa, Orewiler, Moss and Wotell at Dayton. Will Strahan and Armstrong be ready to go at the start of 2017? Thanks The Duke February 14, 2017 Dayton: Tony Santillan, Scott Moss, Ian Kahaloa, Ty Boyles, Andrew Jordan Daytona: Vlad Gutierrez, Tanner Rainey, Tejay Anyone, Seth Varner, Jose Lopez Pensacola: Tyler Mahle, Luis Castillo, Nick Travieso (Ismael Guillon if Nick isn’t ready to start the season), Keury Mella, Wendolyn Bautista Louisville: Amir Garrett, Sal Romano, Rookie Davis, Jackson Stephens, Lisalverto Bonilla Cincinnati: Anthony Desclafani, Brandon Finnegan, Scott Feldman, Robert Stephenson, Cody Reed MK February 14, 2017 Boyles has been in Dayton for parts of two seasons already and Varner has already been in Pensacola. The Duke February 14, 2017 Boyles had a 4.81 ERA last year with a 1.48 WHIP. He’s only 21 as well. Sal Romano was in Dayton for two full years and 269 IP, Boyles has 137.1 IP in Dayton. I think he ends up back there. Varner is a soft tossing lefty who relies on control and deception. He’s 25 years old, and is most likely org filler. I could see him in AA if the need arises and they don’t want to rush a younger more promising arm, but I think he fills out the rotation in Daytona and eats some innings. The Duke February 14, 2017 And Varner hasn’t pitched in Pensacola. He has 4 IP in Louisville (with a 24.75 ERA and a 5.00 WHIP), but he has never pitched in Pensacola. Norwood Nate February 14, 2017 Duke, flip Bautista and Antone and I think it’s about right. Antone was among the leaders in innings pitched and did well in Daytona last season. Bautista didn’t pitch a full year. I also believe Rainey’s move to the bullpen was a permanent move, so I’d guess either Boyles, Orewiler, or another returnee from injury (Strahan, Crawford) takes the other spot. Steve February 14, 2017 My prediction for Daytona was on the assumption that both Strahan and Armstrong would be ready for the start of the season. At the end of last season, Rainey, Boyles and Constante all starters previously, were moved to the bullpen. Not sure if the moves were permanent, but was just assuming they were. I think Gutierrez will impress in camp and take a spot in Pensacola with Mahle, Mella, Castillo and Antone. Varner swing pitcher in Pensacola. I have Garrett, Davis, Romano, Stephens and Travieso(if he is not on the DL)Bonilla if he is, in Louisville. Great competition for the starting spots. IndyRedsFan February 14, 2017 I wonder if YRod just decided to retire….or perhaps just take a year off. That would explain the surprise of the Reds removing him from the 40 man, and the fact that no one else has signed him to a minor league deal. Reply Simon Cowell February 14, 2017 How do injuries calculate into your rankings? Do you consider them or ignore them alltogether? I’m guessing Travs stock dropped somewhat though on this. Reply Doug Gray February 14, 2017 Real injuries cause a drop. This hasn’t, yet. We will have to see how it plays out some. Reply Hunt4redsoct February 14, 2017 Do you think that too many bridges have been burnt to bring back Matt Latos on a minor-league deal. He’s only 29 and while he’s been bad lately if they could figure him out he’d be a good flip at the deadline Reply DHud February 14, 2017 If I were the Reds I wouldn’t even answer a call from his agent Reply The Duke February 14, 2017 It’s time to start giving the young guys a shot. Feldman was the signing for veteran depth. Reply greg February 14, 2017 Short answer: yes. Reply Reaganspad February 14, 2017 I agree, but you have my interest as to what the long answer would be Doug Gray February 14, 2017 Mat Latos and Matt Eisner have the same chance of being employed by the Cincinnati Reds before Spring Training is over. It’s not a zero percent chance, but it’s about as close to it can be to zero. Reply Krozley February 14, 2017 Reds claim Nefi Ogando off waivers from the Pirates. Not sure he’s better than who we currently have on the 40 man. Reply Krozley February 14, 2017 Homer goes to 60-day DL to make room. Reply RFM February 14, 2017 Obvious question that doesn’t seem to have been asked… was a shoulder injury nagging Travieso in 2016, or is this just something new to the offseason? Your review of Travieso’s 2016 season said his velocity was down, and talks about a series of minor injuries, but doesn’t really clarify what those were. I understand that you’re not a doctor, but I’m very curious how this all fits together. Reply Doug Gray February 14, 2017 I don’t believe the shoulder was bothering him in 2016. He said he noticed it when he started throwing again in January. Reply Michael B. Green February 14, 2017 Is Travieso a candidate for the 60-day DL? Seems like that allows CIN to add someone to their 40MR and ease Travieso back into the mix. Reply Bill February 14, 2017 Doubtful … first, as Doug states above, he’s behind in his throwing, but not injured at this point. So its a little early to believe that he won’t be ready to pitch when the minor league seasons start. Second, if he goes on the 60-day DL he will begin to accrue ML service time when the season starts. Reply Doug Gray February 14, 2017 I guess technically they could, but they won’t because it’ll cost them $200,000 in big league salary. That roster spot isn’t worth that amount of money for two months. Reply Leave a Reply Cancel Reply Your email address will not be published.CommentName* Email* Website Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Notify me of new posts by email.