Cincinnati Reds Minor League Game Review – 6/14/17 Doug Gray June 14, 2017 46 Comments If you aren’t signed up to support the site through Patreon yet, you can do that today and start getting emails each morning with notes and updates from each game (and other perks). Louisville lost 4-3. Box Score Hernan Iribarren went 2-5 with a home run (4) and 2 RBI. Stuart Turner (rehab) went 1-6. Phillip Ervin went 1-3 with 2 walks and a steal. Zach Vincej went 2-4 with a run and a walk. Cody Reed allowed a run in 5.0 innings with 5 walks and 6 strikeouts. Louis Coleman threw 2.2 hitless innings with 2 walks and 2 strikeouts. Kyle McMyne threw 2.0 shutout innings with 2 walks. Pensacola was postponed. Double header on Thursday. Daytona was postponed. Double header on Thursday. Dayton won 4-2. Box Score TJ Friedl went 1-2 with 2 walks, a run and an RBI. Taylor Trammell went 2-4 with a double, run and an RBI. Tyler Stephenson went 1-4 with an RBI. John Sansone went 1-4 with a double and a run. Luis Gonzalez went 1-3. Homer Bailey (rehab) threw 6.0 shutout innings with 6 strikeouts. Joel Kuhnel threw a shutout inning with a strikeout. Aaron Fossas threw a perfect inning. 6/15 Game Preview Team 1st half 2nd half Time (EST) Probable BoxScore Listen Live Watch Live Louisville 26-38 N/A 7:05pm Ross Here Here Here Pensacola 38-27 N/A 5:05pm Finnegan/TBA Here Here Here Daytona 32-29 N/A 3:05pm Strahan/TBA Here Here N/A Dayton 40-26 N/A 7:00pm Santillan Here Here Here Top 25 Prospects Daily Rundown Rank Player Level Performance 1 Nick Senzel A+ DNP 2 Jesse Winker AAA 0-2, K. 3 Robert Stephenson AAA DNP 4 Amir Garrett MLB DNP 5 Sal Romano AAA DNP 6 Taylor Trammell A 2-4, 2B, run, RBI. 7 Aristides Aquino AA DNP 8 Vladimir Gutierrez A+ DNP 9 Luis Castillo AA DNP 10 Tony Santillan A DNP 11 Nick Travieso DL DNP 12 Chris Okey A+ DNP 13 Tyler Mahle AA DNP 14 Tyler Stephenson A 1-4, RBI, K. 15 Phillip Ervin AAA 1-3, 2BB, steal, K. 16 Ian Kahaloa Susp DNP 17 Shed Long A+ DNP 18 Keury Mella AA DNP 19 Austin Brice MLB DNP 20 Jimmy Herget AA DNP 21 T.J. Friedl A 1-2, 2BB, run, RBI. 22 Alfredo Rodriguez A+ DNP 23 Zack Weiss A+ DNP 24 Ariel Hernandez AA DNP 25 Michael Beltre A 0-3, BB, 2K. 46 Responses Steve June 15, 2017 One more rehab start for Bailey and ready to replace Arroyo in the starting rotation. Finnegan making second start tomorrow in Pensacola and should also have one more after that before joining the Reds. Looks like in about 10-14 days, they will both join the rotation with the Reds barring any setbacks. Arroyo will lose his place, then most likely Wojciechowski. Bailey, Feldman, Finnegan, Adleman and Garrett moving forward should be better for the Reds. Stop the losing streak tomorrow against the Dodgers. Guillon getting beat up recently in Louisville. Time to make switch with Hernandez? Herget? Tapia?Gonzalez? Looking forward to promotions now that the draft is over and the first half coming to a close. Bailey and Finnegan will be ready soon, prompting some changes at the top with moves throughout the organization. Colt Holt June 15, 2017 I would slide him in for Garrett. Option Garrett. Have Finnegan in for Wojchiechowski. Give Arroyo a couple weeks to ensure the rest of the rotation is healthy and functional before letting him go. You don’t want to immediately release Arroyo and be caught bringing up a prospect who isn’t ready if Bailey and/or Finnegan has a set back. This would also ensure one more year of control for Garrett. He has been the most inconsistent arm in the current rotation, so he would be a natural fit to slip back down to Louisville with two arms returning…shouldn’t be any issue with the option. Reaganspad June 15, 2017 I would rather watch wojo than Bronson You can put Bronson on the 60 day DL because watching him pitch hurts me Keith June 15, 2017 I’d rather watch a well-trained cocker spainel set the ball on a tee and retrieve it after opposing players hit. Results would probably be remarkably similar. Colt Holt June 15, 2017 Keith, I am grateful you aren’t running the team! Your sarcasm is recognized, but is there a pitcher you would legitimately rather see in there? Stephenson, Reed with the 5 walk starts recently? Want to see Bonilla again? Buchanan? Cingrani? Mella? Romano? Stephens? Want to add somebody for 2 weeks and fight the extra man on the roster that doesn’t need to be there? Reds4ever June 15, 2017 Garrett has 1 option left. I don’t see them sending him to Louisville. Or else they would of already did it when he was getting his brains beat in. The Duke June 15, 2017 Garrett’s option for this year has already been used. We can send him down and up this year as much as we want. Simon Cowell June 15, 2017 Bailey is back and this is indeed a good thing. But at best Homer will only pitch every fifth day and give is a total of 10 wins for remainder of the season and that is if he is a stud nearly every time he pitches. Even Bronson at his worse would give us 5 wins. So… All I am saying is that Homers return will equal no more than an additional 5 wins over anyone else. Now if we keep that formula going for every starter we would Dominate the second half. I would be impressed if we just get to .500 again but I don’t think it will happen in 2017. 2018? We should all have higher expectations with the results. Reaganspad June 15, 2017 There is zero chance of Bronson giving us 5 wins Zero RFM June 15, 2017 He’s won 3 games already, and only in 3 of his 13 starts did he give up more runs than the team scored. It’s not like Arroyo’s been costing them wins. 5 wins, 5 no-decisions. Reds4ever June 15, 2017 The duke. You’re wrong he was in the minors for less than 21 days. So he has to spend 21 days in the minors for it to be counted as an option. And he gets that service time back. Correct me if I’m wrong Doug. The Duke June 15, 2017 21 days this year. He’ll go back down again at some point this season (most likely around the all star break) and then we’ll have control for the 2023 season. Reds4ever June 15, 2017 The duke you’re wrong again. It has to be 21 days as a whole not split up. Because like I said the 10 days he went down he gets those service time days back so it’s like he never went to the minors James K June 15, 2017 When does Turner finish his rehab? Under Rule 5, do the Reds need to keep him on the 25- player roster at the start of 2018 to compensate for his time on the DL? The Duke June 15, 2017 He only needs to be on the MLB roster for 90 days, regardless of how long that takes with trips to the disabled list. If he was only on the active roster for 60 days over 2 years, and hurt the rest of the time, he’d still have to do 30 more days in year 3 before he could be optioned or else we’d have to send him back. MK June 15, 2017 No, but he might be out of options. Colt Holt June 15, 2017 This was the first time Turner was added to a 40 man, so he has never been optioned. Should have 3 options to go. Assuming we are able to keep him and he gets his 90 days, we wouldn’t have to bring him back up until 2021. MK June 15, 2017 Fun night in Dayton. Sat behind the catcher and Homer had some amazing movement last night. Bob Casteiini and Dr. Kremcheck sat right in front of me.Castelini is a really nice man. He is really fired up about Greene. Stadium radar was working well for a change and Homer sat at 93-94 most of night but hit 96 in sixth inning. Of the Dragons he seemed most interested in Friedl. Says Bailey will make one more rehab start in Louisville. The Duke June 15, 2017 Thanks for the info. That would put Bailey’s earliest possible return at 6/24 on the road at Washington, but I think at home on 6/27 against Milwaukee seems more likely. jbonireland June 15, 2017 Great question about Turner….. Not sure but I would assume that when is on DL or rehab he is still on the 40 man so that would mean they are still following the rule about keeping him.As for 2018 he wouldn’t have to stay on the roster but we might have to expose him to the waivr wir. No sure though. Doug Gray June 15, 2017 Tomorrow will be the 20th and final day that Turner can be on rehab. CP June 15, 2017 It’s great to see Bailey seem so sharp and close to ready to help the MLB team. Here’s to hoping it goes well for Finny today too! Glad to see Reed continue to put up shutout innings, but I have to wonder if the control issues still aren’t behind him. He still had 5 BB over 5 IP. MLB teams will not be so forgiving, and he won’t be able to slide out of trouble as easily as it may be for him at AAA. Hopefully in time he and/or Stephenson can continue to refine. citizen54 June 15, 2017 Not sure how accurate it was but gameday had a ton of strikes that were called balls. It seemed like everything that was on the edges and corners were called balls for Reed. Doug Gray June 15, 2017 It’s not remotely accurate. Gameday in the minor leagues is not hooked up to a pitch tracking system, it’s just a guy marking where he thinks the ball was at. Brad June 15, 2017 A few thoughts on this Thursday: 1) I do not think the Reds will compete for a Central division title this year. I know, not really shocking. But the losing streak may have made it obvious and lead to some final system boosting trades. 2) It is a shame Descfalani and Bailey have not been healthy. The SP market seems to lack available arms and teams, reportedly, seem ready to overpay 3) I do not think their will be a better time to move Iglesias. Nationals and others are in dire need of a closer. For his talent, production, control and reasonable contract, he is the best of a thin market. Still believe he can get a Andrew Miller-plus return. 4) Happy with the draft. Lot of faith in Buckley and his staff. Only criticisms are minor and most assuredly unfounded. I liked Tristan Lutz over Jeter Downs. I preferred a few SR signs over ones drafted. Congrats to Buckley and staff on another draft and onto 2018! sultanofswaff June 15, 2017 25 strikeouts in 65 ABs for Alcantara. He has no business being on a ML roster. Call up Winker, play Schebs in CF 3 days a week, use Billy in high leverage situations, and rotate Cozy/Scooter/Peraza around the middle IF. If it’s ok to break in pitchers by starting out in the bullpen, why can’t Jesse break in by playing 3 days a week while pinch hitting? Kap June 15, 2017 Totally agree with this. Alcantara doesn’t even draw many walks. He offers the team very little. Needs to DFA’d RFM June 15, 2017 Alcantara offers the team defensive versatility, playing SS, 2b, 3b, and CF. He’s a speedy baserunner and pinch runner. He offers them everything but hitting. He’s the team’s utility player, and he definitely belongs on the team for that. R Lamanna June 15, 2017 Thats similar to my thinking.Except Hamilton is the 4th outfielder,used as late innings defensive replacement and as u say special situations.I would release Alcantra to make room.Winker should play everyday wout the pressure of being sent back. Scooter is an infielder not an out fielder and can be used to give infielders a rest. Finally lets end the Arroyo experiment.He is not helping and itfs time to put Stephenson into rotation to see what he can do.If they are working on something w Stephenson (seems like they always are) then either Romano or Castillo. wes June 15, 2017 MLB released their top 5 drafts and Cincy was 2nd behind Minn. Which I guess validates the Lewis as 1 a bit more? 3rd was pirates and 4th was brewers. Division stays hot! CP June 15, 2017 Where did you see this? The Duke June 15, 2017 http://m.mlb.com/news/article/236553468/twins-used-no-1-pick-to-have-best-2017-draft/?topicid=151437456 asinghoff June 15, 2017 Doug, where does this Homer Bailey guy fall on your list of prospects? Despite the recent demotion, he seems to really be flying under the radar in the minors. Arnold Ziffle June 15, 2017 Unfortunately, Cody Reed is just not ready for ML action yet. Five BB’s in 5 IP’s is not good. Luckily he only let 1 run in. Once he gets his BB’s reduced he probably can get called up. If he can get in a couple of good outings he might be ready about the time Homer is ready. That would be a huge boost for the Reds. With Hamilton’s thumb injury, we may see Jesse Winker in a Reds uniform this weekend. I think Hamilton will have a 10 day stint on the DL. They said that his thumb hurts badly when he swings the bat and it makes contact with the ball. If he can’t grip a bat, a DL stint is warranted. Don’t play short a man for a week, just DL Billy. Winker can cover CF some, along with Schebler. wes June 15, 2017 I hope winker gets the call, but if they put him in center we better have 4 outfielders out there lol. Bill June 15, 2017 If I counted correctly, yesterday was Daytona’s 9th rain out; all but one on the road. Seven of the rainouts have been this month. FSL weather is making it tough for our prospects to get their work in. Arnold Ziffle June 15, 2017 June 1 starts the rainy season in FL. Strange how things work out, FL being wet in the rainy season and dry during the winter dry season. Nature in its true form. But it came at the expense of baseball. Doug Gray June 15, 2017 Let’s keep the political mumbo jumbo off of the posts. This isn’t the place for it. Arnold Ziffle June 16, 2017 It was Reds minor leagues related. You’ve been to the Pensacola stadium. I’ve been to the Pensacola stadium. It is right on the bay. No sea wall built around it. No plans for a sea wall to be built around it. I doubt if the City of Pensacola has ever considered it. And they have a huge investment in that stadium. Doug Gray June 16, 2017 Your description of it all was very political and I’m just not going down that road. Travis June 15, 2017 Tell me about it! Pensacola is going through the same issues …they have pitchers in the bullpen that haven’t thrown in almost 7+ days!!!! With rehab starts and allowing starters to throw 8 plus innings guys have just been sitting there twirling their thumbs … all star break is this week .. it will be interesting to see where everyone gets moved … so many guys in Daytona kicking ass but there’s not much room for them to get decent playing time in Pensacola since there are 6 outfielders … and let’s not get started with how many second basemen ( UT) players the wahoos have … its obvious there needs to be cuts made especially in AAA to make room for all of the talent! Not fair to hold these guys back … mark l June 15, 2017 I have a new found respect for Doug. It’s hard to come up with a top 25 prospect list for the Reds. After the draft, I gave it a shot not that anyone on here will actually care, lol. This just assumes that all of the top 10 picks sign. my top 25 right now Nick Senzel Hunter Greene Taylor Trammell Jesse Winker Sal Romano Tyler Mahle Vladimir Gutierrez Shed Long Tyler Stephenson Jose Garcia Luis Castillo TJ Friedl Tony Santillan Alfredo Rodriguez Stuart Fairchild Chris Okey Jeter Downs Scott Moss Jacob Heatherly Aristides Aquino Phillip Ervin Ian Kahaloa Nick Travieso Alex Blandino Gavin Lavalley from 6 to 12, you can put them in any order, and I would be ok with that. Our depth is unreal. I had to go off a few assumptions: I went with the Reds claim that Jose Garcia was in the top 15 on their draft board, and I had Fairchild ahead of Downs because most pre-draft prospect rankings had Fairchild ahead. I also may be missing someone that has been in mlb but still qualifies for lists. Doug Gray June 15, 2017 I’m not looking forward to trying to create a New Top 25 list. There’s so much depth that it’s kind of stupid. Guys that should be absolute LOCKS as organizational Top 10 guys are going to be in the bottom half of the list. Travis June 15, 2017 You are missing quite a few valuable pitchers on your list… where is Herget Hernandez Mella… The Rage June 15, 2017 Reed won’t be back up this year. They compacted/changed his glove position to end the pitch tipping issues and he is still adjusting and probably will until next spring, when hopefully he puts it together. Doug Gray June 15, 2017 If nothing else I’d guess he’s up in September in the bullpen.