Wednesday afternoon Reds news and notes Doug Gray November 1, 2017 15 Comments I’ve been hesitant to make secondary posts this week because they would get lost in the Top 25 prospect list hoopla. But there are some things worth talking about this afternoon. After picking up Micah Johnson on waivers, the Reds immediately placed him back on waivers. The thought was that if they were the only team who thought he was worthy of a 40-man spot, that no one else would pick him up. And that would then allow them to keep him in the organization for filling out two pieces of paper. Unfortunately, they weren’t the only team who felt he was worthy of a 40-man roster spot and the San Francisco Giants claimed him from the Reds. They’ve done this in the past with a few other players. I doubt it’s the last time that we see this happen over the next few months. In a bit of sad news, Rick Hader passed away. You may know him by a different name: Myron Noodleman. Known as the Clown Prince of Baseball, he lost his battle with a rare form of cancer yesterday. In my travels, I had a chance to see him perform at minor league games a few times. I first met him back in 2009 at a game and he was as nice as could be in our limited interaction. Zack Cozart and a podcast to listen to Zach Buchanan and C. Trent Rosecrans have up a good podcast today where they go through the Cincinnati Reds most valuable (realistic) trade pieces, but also talk about the likelihood of them being traded. They also had up an article on what Zack Cozart could get on the free agent market. And it doesn’t look great for Cozart, unfortunately. “He’s probably a two-year guy,” the AL executive said. “And probably in the two years and $20 million range.” If you were wondering if the Reds would offer Zack Cozart a qualifying offer, which would be $17.4M for one year, this quote should tell you all you need to know on the likelihood of that happening. If the Reds could get Cozart on a 2-year, $20M deal, I’d support that all day long. It would buy Jose Peraza time to continue to figure out things at the plate – though I think the team would probably put him on the bench rather than in Triple-A to get every day work in that scenario. 15 Responses Jasonp November 1, 2017 I hope they don’t do the $17.4M offer. That doesn’t make sense at all for a 1 year deal with the team not contending next year. If they do sign him I hope it is in that 2 year range or with a team option for a third year. I think if you go a full three years you might end up blocking someone that is ready or someone who would be better then Cozart 3 years from now. Personally I would rather see a full year of Peraza there and determine if he is your future at short or try and experiment there with Senzel or Suarez. We have to many second basemen. It would be good if one of those options could play somewhere else. Reaganspad November 1, 2017 Sign Zack for 20 mil at 2 years Budget dust 2 years might get us to our minor leaguers as well as giving Jose more time to develop. Jose is not ready for a full time ss gig now. I prefer that he go to AAA and straighten out his strike zone. We will need him again at some point as Zack probably gives us 125 games bellhead November 1, 2017 Think Zach will want a 3 or 4 year deal, I would offer him a 3 year @ 28 million with a player option for a 4th at $5 million per year. Guy will still be a quality backup in the 3rd and 4th year. Colorado Red November 1, 2017 I would wait for a bit, once he sees what the market is like, I would make an offer like that. victor vollhardt November 1, 2017 To both Mr. Gray and bellhead—-The two year at 20 would be best ,but as an alternative –3 year at 27 with an team option for a fourth year at 9 mil. with a one million buyout. That gets him good three year security (28 mil.) and if he continues on with good numbers (and watch his playing time or rest him more often) it would be good deal for the Reds too. Doug Gray November 2, 2017 Here’s the question: If two teams are offering that deal to Cozart, are you re-signing with the Reds or trying your luck elsewhere knowing that the Reds didn’t win 70 games last year? Any team offering him that deal is not going likely to be another rebuilding team. With that said, if he’d accept that deal – I’d offer it all day long. MikeinSoCal November 1, 2017 He is going to want more than the Reds should or could pay. He is injury prone. Let him get a good contract with someone else. He deserves it. Kyblu50 November 1, 2017 Using some others words …. Personally I would rather see at least being two months of Peraza in AAA so that he can get ready for shortLet last years SS Zach Vincej move up to see what he can do., Or the best SS not named Cozart helping with the first two months. Case November 1, 2017 I’ve supported the side of giving him the QO big time, but 2 years 20 million I would do all day. Add an option and buyout on the end of that and I’d be all in. Doubtful it will work out that way. I wouldn’t give him over 30 guaranteed in any deal. Still would be interested to see Suarez try short again. I know the front office hasn’t made it sound that way but I think he is still athletic enough to make it work for a couple more years. If the reds would do their homework and execute quality shifts that could take could take away some of the risk. The Duke November 2, 2017 I said it after the season and i’ll say it again. Offer Cozart a 2 year, $15 million deal with a 3rd year team option for $8 million with a $1 million buyout. If he can get more than that, great, but I’m not so sure he will. Injury history and inconsistency don’t magically get erased by one good season (in which he still had injury issues). Personally, I think a team would be out of their mind to offer him a 4 year deal. Arnold Ziffle November 2, 2017 So sorry to hear about Myron Noodleman. He was a fantastic performer at games. Very entertaining. I saw him twice. He could sure dance. RIP. As for Cozart, a two-year offer in the $20M to $25M range would better suit the Reds. But if the Reds go 3 years, they probably should front load the deal instead of back loading it. That might make for an easier trade later down the road before or during year 3. They could go $13M in year 1, $11M in year 2, and $9M in year 3 for a 3 year $33M deal as an example. No option year. That might be a better way of structuring contracts with players in their early 30’s. Shawn November 2, 2017 Offer Cozart 2 years 20 Million With 7 Mil team option 2 mill buyout. Then Trade Hamilton, Duval, Scooter for prospects. Trade prospects for CFer, Senzel to 2nd base. Wait till all star break to address pitching. Give injured and young pitchers a chance to sort themselves out. Brent Smith November 2, 2017 2yr/ $20mil or whatever it’s for… I say you have to let him walk. He won’t be around when we’ll be competitive again. So might as well see if Peraza is our future SS or even CF and see what he does offensively Doug Gray November 2, 2017 I think bringing in someone else, even in the short term for shortstop, gives you a better chance of actually having Peraza develop into the guy the Reds hoped he’d be when they traded for him (which, in this era of shortstops, still probably isn’t great given that the new young crop is full of guys that can hit 25 bombs). Michael B. Green November 3, 2017 Here are the stat lines for the last 5 championship teams’ shortstops: Carlos Correa .315 82-24-84-2 (age 22) Addison Russell .238 67-21-95-5 (age 22) Alcides Escobar .293 76-3-47-17 (age 28) Brandon Crawford .246 54-10-69-5 (age 27) Stephen Drew .253 57-13-67-6 (age 30) Excellent defense is what all of these players have in common. The other commonality is a fairly young age. Despite our hopes, CIN is not going to win the WS in 2018. They should contend in 2019 with a legitimate shot in 2020. Cozart is 32.2 years old today. That means he would be 34-35 when CIN challenges for a title. Peraza is 23.6 years old today. He’ll reach 25-26 when CIN challenges for a title. He is a cheap, controllable asset that has/had top prospect status. He does not need to hit 25 homers for CIN to win a championship. He’ll need to play excellent defense. If he does that and has a 200-hit season, you will see CIN definitely compete. SS is more about defense than offense. If you go the KC route, you want some speed too. Larkin and Concepcion were defense and speed guys. Larkin could do some of everything but he was never confused for Mark McGwire.