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Louisville lost 13-1. Box Score

Pensacola won 3-0. Box Score

Daytona won 7-6. Box Score

Dayton won 10-9. Box Score

4/13 Game Preview

Team 1st half 2nd half Time (ET) Probable Box Score Listen Live Watch Live
Louisville 3-4 N/A 7:05pm Lopez Here Here Here
Pensacola 4-3 0-0 7:35pm Gutierrez Here Here Here
Daytona 7-1 0-0 7:05pm Olson Here Here N/A
Dayton 5-3 0-0 6:05pm Bautista Here Here Here
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35 Responses

  1. BromleyJake

    Can somebody answer this? Who was the last solid starting pitcher developed by this organization? By solid I mean a
    pitcher who could be relied upon to post a sub 4 era for more than five years. Leake cant be included because he was ready shortly after college. Wood fizzled out after a few seasons. Do we have to go all the way back to Homer and Cueto? And if so, doesnt that point to an organizational failure for a decade or more?

    • NJ Cincyfan

      Not one…. there is something wrong with this organization with pitchers… and I’m shocked with Price being a real good pitching coach…

      • Jonathan Linn

        And how many have the majority of MLB teams developed? Probably an average of 1.

        The Reds of developed Cueto and Bailey. That’s pretty good for over the past 10 years

      • Bromleyjake

        So 2 quality pitchers in a decade is par for the course?

      • Doug Gray

        If the qualifications are 5 years before free agency with a sub 4.00 ERA, yeah, I’d be shocked if it were more than 1 per team. Guys hit free agency at 6 years after their call up.

    • wes

      Interesting topic….

      I’d put Mahle on that list- he’s fast tracked to big leagues. Reds are par or better for course, but I also think the impact of an organization on the development of players is minimal. Especially when you compare it to player’s desire to be great and identifying talent to draft.

      Every organization is littered with pitchers who were suppose to be great. Idk how you hold the organization accountable when they don’t pan out?

      What organization do you look think is good and deserves credit for developing players?

      • Bromleyjake

        Giants developed Lincecum, Madbum, Sanchez
        Cardinals developed Lynn, Garcia, Wacha, Miller on the heels of Wainwright
        Rays developed Shields, Price Archer
        Mets developed Harvey, Syndergaard and others

        Doug, I only picked those parameters as an example of a quality starting pitcher who has had a prolonged career. If there are other parameters that make sense to measure that then fine.

        Lastly, whether the discrepancy is one of development, identification of talent, coaching, or something else, it seems undeniable that most of the reds arms in the minors fit the profile of hard throwers with poor control and that they seldom make in the Big’s.

      • Tom

        Hard throwers with poor control are destined for the bullpen.

        The majority of top talent the Reds have acquired are really marked as 4/5 types or really good bullpen types.

        I think the Reds are praying for a breakout from someone like Stephenson who could really be an ace if he puts it together. Problem is, it’s just not worked yet for any of the prospects.

        Castillo is a great hope, but he isn’t the slam dunk #2 that people want him to be. It’s a long way to saying he’s going to stick around and stay healthy. (I would keep his pitch counts under 100 all year and bail him out of starts earlier than usual if he goes up over 30 pitches in an inning.)

        Keep in mind as well, prospect evaporators for years have looked at the Reds and seen some “OK” prospects. Stephenson rose the highest in the rankings. But the run of Travieso, Howard, Cingrani, Mella, Stephens, Moscot, Davis, Garrett, Reed, Finnegan and many others have all been nice prospects, but never regarded so high as the top 25, or seldom top 40.

        There have been some misses and injuries. It happens to all teams.

        But the misses, in my opinion, were low chance to begin with. I’d like to see them target pitching with control first and leave velocity and raw stuff a little lower priority.

    • Chris

      We’d have more if management’s ears weren’t so easily bent by players who are paid millions but “prefer” to pitch in relief instead of starting.

      Otherwise, you’d be able to add Aroldis Chapman and Raisel Iglesias.

      • Keith

        If we’re not counting Mike Leake because he was too ready, you can’t count either of them. Considering the Reds lack of success for most of the millennium, it’s hard to be too surprised that they haven’t been great at developing pitchers, like most other MLB teams. I bet the Reds are around average, but still haunted by the swings and misses on the likes of Chris Gruler and Ty Howington

  2. MK

    Don’t know what it is with Dayton and catching fly balls. Gordon and Crook have dropped them in the outfield in previous games and Downs dropped one in the infield last night which would have ended the game but it dropped and two runs scored tying the game. That is three in 10 days.

  3. terry m

    Doug
    Think you will need to do 2 draft prospects each week. One for the upcoming draft and one for 2019 draft.

  4. A.B.

    Some initial quick thoughts after reading Doug’s game reviews:

    -Nice to see Senzel back on the hit train
    -Stephenson getting hit by a pitch immediately made me cringe and hope it wasn’t the hand / wrist
    -It’s early, but Aquino seems to be off to a nice start…hope he turns it around again
    -Oh and my goodness…the major league club is difficult to watch even for lifelong diehards…brutal

  5. The Duke

    Stuart Fairchild might force his way up to Daytona by midseason. If the power starts playing like it did for him in college last year, he’s going to start turning some heads. He has a nice approach, is hitting for average so far, is a solid defender in CF, and is 22 in Low A so I think if he keeps up what he’s been doing so far, he’s in Daytona in June.

    Tyler Stephenson’s red hot spring has carried over into the start of this season. .435/.536/.696 is getting it done. He singled in the at bat after getting hit by the pitch and continued to catch, so I think we don’t have any worries there.

    • AirborneJayJay

      I like Fairchild too and keep a watch on his play. You say he is a solid defender in CF which he is. But wasn’t he named the best OF defender in the organization after last season by somebody? That is certainly a nice package, the hitting approach and his defense. I, too, would like to see him advance at a little quicker pace this year. An OF of Trammell, Fairchild, and Siri would be fun to watch play. In a few years they could resemble the Pirates OF the last couple of years with McCutcheon, Polanco and Marte. All capable CF playing the 3 OF spots.

    • HavaKlu

      So if Fairchild is such a solid defender in CF, why is he in LF and Miles Gordon in CF? Could it be that Gordon is even a better defender than Fairchild ?

      • MK

        I have been to three games so far and the outfield configuration has been different each game.Guess that is what happens when there are three outfielders and all are center fielders. I’ve seen Fairchild in all three spots.

      • Doug Gray

        Fairchild, Gordon, and Sugilio (when healthy) are going to share the center field spot. All could be center fielders, and all need to get reps there.

  6. Norwood Nate

    Mella off to a very good start to the season. I had pretty much written him off as a starter as he never seemed to be more than average as a starter with too may walks. I’d still like to see a few more K’s but through two starts he’s been impressive.

  7. Michael Smith

    Broomleyjake, I would have added Leake but u don’t consider him developed by the reds. They have done a very good job acquiring arms over the last decade. Development will be a wait and see with current batch

    • Bromleyjake

      I only excluded Leake because he made a quick jump to the Bigs. I loved Leake. Wish he was still here.

  8. wes

    Garrett was given somewhat of a promotion last night coming in w a guy on in a close game. He had a little trouble, but still pitched his way out of it to continue to carry his scoreless start to 2017.

    GO ST JOHNS BASKETBALL

    • Bubba Woo

      I actually took that as a bad sign. This means that Garrett IS NOT taking Cody Reed’s spot in the rotation (I’m assuming Finnegan is going to have another rehab start since he got shelled in his first one).

      • Tom

        Is anyone mentioning that Garrett had a debilitating hip injury last year as a starter? He had to get injections for it prior to this season. Seems potentially chronic. Isn’t it likely the Reds are just doing what is right for Amir?

        I know this, Amir wants an MLB paycheck and doesn’t mind earning money in the bullpen. I don’t blame him. Why risk another injury as a starter and really cast his career into doubt?

        Frankly, he doesn’t have a full grasp of his arsenal anyway, so let it play up in 1-2 inning stints.

  9. Justin

    Can someone give some background as to how Luis Gonzalez got into our organization? He looks like he had some MLB success and then nothing. What value do you think he brings to the reds?

    • Bill

      The baseball reference link is to a different player. Daytona’s Luis Gonzales was signed out of the Dominican Republic. As I recall, MLB used to have him on the fringes of the Reds Top 30 a couple of years ago. This is his second year with Daytona.

  10. BackBackBack Gone

    Checking out the box score from Dayton, Jeter Downs already with 4 errors. Is The defense going to allow him to stay at short? Haven’t seen him play yet this year, is it footwork, hands or his arm that’s been the problem?

    • Bubba Woo

      1. He’s 19 in his first full season of pro ball.
      2. He wasn’t necessarily drafted to play SS. A LOT of HS players drafted are SS due to that being the position that requires a team’s best athlete, and most drafted players were the best athlete on their HS team. Billy Hamilton, Brandon Phillips, Pokey Reese, Todd Frazier, and Eric Davis were all drafted at SS. None of them played it in the Majors.