Reds fire Price, Jenkins; Bring up Kelly, Darwin Doug Gray April 19, 2018 92 Comments 3-15 won’t always get you fired. But 3-15 after three straight 90-loss seasons probably will. And this morning, that’s what happened to Bryan Price. And that’s also what happened to pitching coach Mack Jenkins, who hasn’t been the pitching coach for as long as Price has been the manager. I’m not going to dive into much about the guys that were let go. The Reds are promoting bench coach Jim Riggleman to interim manager. I’d imagine that is going to last for the rest of the season while the team, hopefully, conducts a wide ranging search for the next manager. More on that below. The organization is also going to go into the farm system to bring up two coaches/managers to join the big league staff. Pat Kelly, who was in his first season with the Triple-A Louisville Bats (previously managed Double-A Pensacola and several other stops) will serve as the bench coach. Danny Darwin, who has been the pitching coach in Pensacola for several seasons will join the team as a coach of some kind. The release was not specific. I would guess that he will take over the bullpen coaching role, while current bullpen coach, Ted Power, steps in to take over as pitching coach. Who replaces the Minor League coaches? As far as who replaces those guys in the minor leagues on their staffs, I have not heard anything yet. I’ve been awake for about 22 minutes as I type this. The last time the organization fired a pitching coach, they made similar moves in the minors. That led to the pitching coordinator taking over the pitching coach job in Triple-A. If that happens again, Tony Fossas would take over in Double-A to replace Danny Darwin. As for who would step in to manage the Louisville Bats, that’s one that I don’t have a better feel for. Perhaps one of the guys slated to manage one of the short-season teams steps in while the organization looks for someone. Maybe Delino DeShields steps back in – he’s currently a roving instructor in the organization. We should know quickly. Pensacola plays tonight. Louisville has the day off, but plays tomorrow. Who will be the next Reds manager? How many of you thought to yourself that Barry Larkin is the next manager of the Cincinnati Reds when you saw the news break this morning? *Looks through your screen and sees everyone raising their hand* Now, if Barry Larkin winds up being the next Reds manager, on the surface, I won’t have a problem with that. IF, and this is a big if, the team goes out and has a wide ranging search for a replacement and decides that Barry Larkin is the most qualified candidate. When the team hired Bryan Price, they didn’t do that. They promoted from within the organization and didn’t spend much time at all looking at external candidates. That is almost never going to lead to hiring the best person for the job. If that person happens to be Barry Larkin, and after bringing in other candidates to talk to them and assess their skills, great. But the Reds can’t afford to just hire him without an exhaustive look around the entire baseball world. The front office has a plan. They need the next manager to be on board with that plan. The 2018 season is pretty much lost. They’d have to play like a 100-win team going forward to even be in the wild card hunt. Take the time to find the right person to hire. Look far. Look wide. Bring in Barry Larkin to talk to him about the job. But, please, also bring in 10 other qualified candidates and give them serious consideration, too. Don’t just hire Larkin because he’s the guy you know the best right now. Hire the guy who is going to be the best right now. 92 Responses Wes April 19, 2018 All this should have happened a long time ago. As in either of last two offseasons. Now u just have more disarray that hurts development and franchise direction. Girardi is out there. He’s the best signing reds can make to impact the franchise short of Bryce Harper. DW needs to go sign him right now and then reorganize from there. Gaffer April 19, 2018 Agree, how is this team in a different situation than last November or even the year before? Price was the wrong guy and had been for awhile. CP April 19, 2018 I would be happy to see the Reds get Girardi. I still can’t believe the Yanks moved on from him Doug Gray April 19, 2018 They moved on from him because he was poor with the young players. Which is exactly why the Reds shouldn’t really be doing too much thinking about him with their next managerial search. Ghettotrout1 April 19, 2018 I agree with Doug no thanks on Girardi or Farrell. HavaKlu April 19, 2018 Don’t get Doug’s continual reference to Girardi being poor with young players. Sure seems like Judge, Sanchez, Severino and Green thrived with him as manager! Doug Gray April 19, 2018 I don’t know what to tell you. Multiple sources have reported that as one of the reasons he wasn’t brought back. Guys can be good players, and still have a manager that doesn’t communicate with them well. The two things don’t have to be directly related. wes April 19, 2018 Doug, what kids are you referencing bc you say that frequently? Yanks are flooded with over paid vets way more than rookies from what I see in his tenure there. My guess in NYC they want a softy and Girardi is to hard nosed for them. Girardi success came with youth. He won a WS with a bunch of kids in Miami. What Reds want to accomplish- he’s accomplished! List starts and ends there with me…. mortchristenson April 19, 2018 Being Yankees and Reds fan, I can speak a little to Girardi; his “issues” with young players are that they didn’t necessarily like him. I’m sorry but coaches/managers don’t have to be liked. You always hear that when successful coaches move on. Players are relieved, we’ll be treated like men etc. And then? More often than not, the play suffers, the team takes steps back. Girardi got results. He won. He won with far more resources than he would have in Cincy. But he also won in Florida with the Marlins. His NY time came to an end far more because the front office was heavily into analytics and wanted a lot more say in how he managed the team from a lineups and bullpen usage standpoint. The working with young players was whispered but not really so relevant if you ask me for reasons I already stated. I think that was pretext. Wes April 20, 2018 Thanks mort ! Shawn April 19, 2018 I would think he would have better options than Cincinnati Hal April 19, 2018 You nailed it Shawn – seems more like a big city guy to me. College just outside of Chicago, as well as playing for Cubs and then coaching in New York. Cincy has some attractive elements in young talent but I just do not see it being his number one choice. Now if it is his only choice that is another matter. DX April 19, 2018 There are only 30 managerial jobs. Girardi did a nice job with a $15m payroll the year he was with the Marlins. He couldn’t get along with Loria which is a good thing. wes April 19, 2018 Miami is worst job in baseball. If he coached there- why not Cincy? MuddyCleats April 20, 2018 More I think about it, I think Girardi would be a good option. One, he knows what winning looks like & what it takes to get there! IMO, far too many Reds have been too comfortable playing for a losing organization: Votto, BP & Bruce to name a few. The attitude seems to b: “I get paid well w/ little pressure or expectations to win – I don’t want to b traded 2 a winning team- I luv playing in Cincy.” ?? IMO, part of being a good player is having a strong desire to win and making other players around u better by ensuring they are working hard to win also…..it’s holding others accountable! Maybe it’s time a Reds Mgr kicked a little tail instead of worrying about being “liked” by the younger players……..got to luv our PC world…..NOT! Having said all that, I can’t imagine Girardi taking the job. I am sure he wants to win and Reds have track record of doing what it takes to do that. On the other hand, Yankees R another Org that hasn’t done a great job of developing their own SP; that’s NOT what Reds need. St. Louis, Marlins, SF, Mets, LAD, Nats & Rays r a few that have been good at this over the last several yrs. That’s who the Reds need to b targeting…someone that can come in & change the SP culture fm top to bottom! Doug Gray April 20, 2018 Ah, yes, the “PC World” where people like not being led by someone who is a jerk and screams at them and treats them like garbage. Definitely something that only this new generation is into. I remember the stories from the old times who just loved being treated like dirt by that fiery manager. Kap April 19, 2018 Would like someone new and refreshing. Have a feeling it will be Farrell and I would be okay with that, although I prefer someone new and outside the organization. I like the idea of hiring someone rather young or refreshly retired, similar to what Boston did with Cora and New York did with Boone. That seems to be what the direction is in terms of success now-a-days in the majors. Klugo April 19, 2018 What a mess. mike April 19, 2018 Thank God!!! Finally CP April 19, 2018 What if Barry Larkin takes a manager role in the minors? Then they could at least get some observations on his managing abilities. I’m not sure Barry is interested in doing that, but if he is serious about managing at the major league level, he needs to pay some dues and prove his metal. We all know what kind of player he was, but playing is different than managing. jim t April 19, 2018 Did Cora or Boone manage in the Minors or pay dues? I think Larkin is going to get the job. Managing in the minors first is way overrated in my opinion. managing millionares as opposed to kids making peanuts is apples and oranges. As far as making the right moves Larkin I’m sure knows the game as well as anyone managing today. The key for any manager is can he get the guys to play for him. I-71_Exile April 19, 2018 I’m not real big on Hall of Famers becoming managers. Their elite talent level can lead to an empathy deficit. If I’m picking a former player to manage the Reds, I’d rather have one who really had to struggle to make it like old George Anderson. Is Corky Miller ready yet? Gaffer April 19, 2018 Firing Price now instead of last off-season is stupid! Who’s surprised about the reds record right now? They have a bunch of Rookies (or nearly) and AAAA players. The major league parts of the pitching staff and second and third best hitter has injuries. A new manager would have at least had the excuse of “we need to time to develop” but now we push that off to next year! AndyBado April 19, 2018 There are many factors that go into a decision like this, so it’s hard to say definitively that the Reds should have moved on from Price in the off-season. But at the same time, the front office probably should have had the foresight to think, “If the team starts the year poorly, we might have to fire Price. In that case, maybe he’s not the best person to lead this team.” It’s a frustrating move that makes it feel like we’re still in the slough of the rebuild rather than climbing out of it. This season could not have started in a more disappointing fashion. MK April 19, 2018 If they are going to consider Larkin, which they probably will but I hope they don’t they should send him to Louisville. If he refuses to go it tells you how committed he is. jim t April 19, 2018 MK don’t think Barry needs to manage in Louisville to be a good manager. Cora and Boone both have jobs with very little managerial experience. Actually I would be shocked if the Reds FO hasn’t already approached him about the job. Been much to much chatter about him taking the job for it not to have been in the works. I will be shocked if he isn’t named after the season. Tom April 19, 2018 Coach Cozart left a void. As the 2010-2013 edition of the Reds dies off, there is no telling what the identity of this team will be when it’s good again. Might be a long time. I warn you to look at the Padres, it has been ugly – despite lots of prospect love. They are in it deeper than the Reds, but the Reds are in it deep enough to say, this might not be working. The pitching staff has been historically horrible. The starters are often better suited for the pen. It’s a problem. None of them could pitch to save a job on a decent team, so they all get shots at various times on this terrible team. The measuring stick is therefore all skewed towards losing. So development is hurt by that. 2007-2009 had some leadership in the rotation and pen that fostered success later on. I thought it was a mistake to avoid signing veterans this year if progress was a goal. Had a plum opportunity like never imagined last offseason and just passed. The plan is, in fact, to not contend this year. They just never said that to the fans or maybe even themselves in the FO. Cozart and Frazier both took parting shots at the Reds saying they weren’t trying to win. Bailey wasn’t happy either when Bruce got traded. I think the players are angry. The new interim manager has almost no shot, LOL. A lot is riding on Peraza, baby! language, man. Language. Tom April 19, 2018 Pulled this from MLBTR article who pulled if from some other guy: “By measure of fWAR, at least, the 2016-17 Reds hurlers have turned in a two-year stretch of futility that is orders of magnitude worse than any other organization of the past two decades, falling well shy of the dreadful 2004-05 Royals and 2002-03 Devil Rays units.” If someone told you in 2013 that 5 years later we’d be saying this about a Bryan Price led team, you would have been shocked he was still manager. OklaRed April 19, 2018 Not if one considers lack of experience of pitchers he was expected to compete with. Read some where they have played more rookies in his tenure than any other team. That combined with injuries to vets leads to dismal performance. When we hit over ~240 as lineup and have a predicted line up manager might make difference. This is purely covering FO not having enough players or healthy players to compete and cold start icehole3 April 19, 2018 Cozart, Frazier had their shots at winning and they made the playoffs but were no-hit. I’ll always root for them but they had their shot. Tom April 19, 2018 True, that particular group should be remembered, partly, for choking each opportunity they had. On that note, maybe the Reds can win a whopping third series in St. Louis since the year 2000 this weekend! James Phillips April 19, 2018 Larkin as manager ends with Larkin getting fired. Does the organization really want to do that to a team legend? icehole3 April 19, 2018 https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1978/11/29/reds-fire-anderson-as-manager/2fc03186-e2fc-4243-a03e-5995c745a39e/?utm_term=.f2e88cbea682 James Phillips April 19, 2018 And Sparky was bitter about that for years. That should be taken into consideration if they look at Larkin. It could end with Larkin no longer being involved with the team and throwing around lots of nasty quotes. Todd Powers April 19, 2018 Dick Wagner was the worst GM in Reds history, compounded by the fact he was the most arrogant, as well. Steve A April 19, 2018 I was wondering about three candidates Joe McEwing (current bench coach with White Sox) David Ross David Bell I have read good things about Joe If they select someone without coaching experience I like David Ross The Reds love the Bell family. I thought at one time there was talk about David Bell being a future manager for the Reds Rich April 19, 2018 The guy that I think would have been interesting to look at last year would have been Davey Martinez. He was Joe Maddon’s bench coach for year’s. Plus he also had a history with the Reds too. James K April 19, 2018 Riggleman is a good guy. Okay with me if interim lasts a long time. jbonireland April 19, 2018 Riggleman quit the last managing job he had in the majors in the middle of a year because ownership wouldn’t guaarantee him and extension. He quit on his team. No thanks long term. Larkin in my opinion is more for Barry Larkin then for the Reds. If he wouldn’t be interested in managing in the minors first then that speaks volumes. There will be many names available, catchers and bench coaches seem to do well. I saw David Ross and David Bell named above, just two of many who will be considered. Ron Wotus the Giants bench coach and Phil Nevin should be considered but there are many more who will be available. BurgRed April 19, 2018 Should we be surprised? We talked all winter about having two of the worst hitting everyday position players in the lineup, plus the pitcher, and now third base makes it four! All of our fears have played out and now we reboot this rebuild. How many players on this roster will be here when this club is relevant again? Five? More? Less? This is what a half hearted rebuild looks like and it will hurt much more than a total rebuild would ever have. MuddyCleats April 19, 2018 Exactly! It’s what perpetual rebuilding looks like & something even a good Mgr cant overcome. Jordan Salisbury April 19, 2018 David Ross is an interesting name. Larkin would be great but it would suck to see him get fired. If the “baseball gods” are listening, i’d love Girardi as manager. Just give him the reigns! Does seem to have a track record of souring with ownership though. Look at what happened in Miami. He won NL manager of the year in his only year there and they fire him. Thank being said, i’d still love to have him. Cbus April 19, 2018 Price was a pitching guru and the Reds’ pitching has been inconsistent to awful the last few years, I think that is the main reason he is gone. The reds seem to always find a way to lose a game the last few years. If the pitching was good they don’t hit, if they hit the bullpen blows up, if they pitch and hit the defense falters…Maybe I just watch too many Reds games and other bad teams have this problem too but maybe a new manager/clubhouse culture can fix this. Michael B. Green April 19, 2018 Larkin will get hired in the off-season. I love the Darwin move. He’s been great at AA. This was a necessary move. I wish Price and Jenkins the best. Riggleman is perfect for the transition. Guessing Lark will use Lenny Harris as his bench coach. Assume Eric “the Red” will come along in some fashion. Wonder if Riggleman will stress playing younger players? Wonder how long it takes Darwin to fix the pitching woes? Hope the players pull together and start competing again. kevinz April 19, 2018 Hate seeing someone lose there Job but think was time the vets we have plus young guys need a new Voice leader type. SultanofSwaff April 19, 2018 I was at the game in snowy Milwaukee yesterday. 2 things really stood out: 1. Pitch sequencing. When the Reds got runners on base, the Brewers turned to nearly all off-speed pitches. Not giving the opposition anything to elevate. By contrast, the Reds consistently overuse the fastball even in situations. That’s 100% on the guy calling the pitches, which was Price. 19 of 24 HR’s allowed by the Reds were fastballs. 2. Absolutely no plan of attack by some of the hitters. Consistently I saw Peraza/Hamilton/Blandino either swing with less than 2 strikes at junk or take fastballs down the middle. Gotta be looking to do damage. Been seeing this for years. There are real incremental gains to be made by changing the on field leadership, and so I’m glad they made the call to dismiss Price and Jenkins, but it should’ve happened in the off-season. But as Hawk Harrelson says, ‘don’t stop now boys’. To that end, Peraza should be demoted in favor of Senzel, Hamilton should become a pinch runner/defensive replacement in favor of a Schebler/Ervin platoon, and BobSteve takes Romano’s place in the rotation. KDavis April 19, 2018 Sultan – I agree with your assessment on pitching sequence. I read somewhere about the evolution away from the fastball – more teams throwing more off speed stuff. However, the Reds were one of the teams that were still using the fastball to a great extent. Makes you wonder. I guess of you have great movement on your fastball, your okay, but I think some on the current staff don’t have that movement. Hanawi April 19, 2018 Yep. The Astros have been at the forefront of this change in philosophy away from using the fastball as the base pitch. Jim Delaney April 19, 2018 I think the Price firing is step one of numerous changes that will happen during the next few months and that the person or people hiring rhe next Manager may or may not already be in the Reds front office. The ownership needs to show they have experienced strong baseball people running the team. I can’t and don’t see how the current GM is kept aboard with the current dumpster fire of a roster he has assembled. Unless the Williams family control is more than jusy being stakeholders i expect a big move by the Castellini family to make a big change. They need to show there fan base they are determined to turn this around.. without replacing the GM I dont see current season ticket holders or ticket buyers buying in… terry m April 19, 2018 You are 100% correct Jim Jon Ryker April 19, 2018 They need somebody who will kick butt, take names, and stress fundamentals. I don’t see Larkin as that guy. language…. careful Jami Sanderson April 19, 2018 Congrats to Pat Kelly and Danny Darwin! Great coaches, good luck to them both. They have been terrific at the Blue Wahoos! Just remember what Coach Bum Phillips always said, “There’s two kinds of coaches, them that’s fired and them that’s gonna be fired.” Red Thunder April 19, 2018 What no hitting coaches let go? Just Like the Reds! We can’t even bunt to move runners up a base. Doug Gray April 19, 2018 The better question is: Why the heck are you trying to bunt runners over in the first place? donny April 19, 2018 Because the national league don’t have a DH. Doug Gray April 19, 2018 If the pitchers are bunting, sure. When anyone else in your lineup is bunting runners over, in almost every scenario, it’s causing you to lower your run expectancy. Jon Ryker April 19, 2018 To win close ballgames. Red Thunder April 19, 2018 I thought I explained it Doug, to move runners up. If the Reds are down a run or tied in the ninth inning, I want the runner in scoring position because you can’t always get a three run homer. Guess you see it a different way. Doug Gray April 20, 2018 In the 9th inning, sure, you can bunt the runner over. I’ll even accept that strategy in the 8th. Before that, it’s bad strategy. Of course, it also depends on the situation, who you are bunting, who is coming up, and who you have available (along with who they have available, too). theRickDeLux April 19, 2018 Good riddance. Nothing but four years of excuses. Frankly, I’m tired of this “rebuild” term being tossed around for poor teams. They are just bad teams. This team is bad. come on Rick, you know you can’t use that word here. theRickDeLux April 19, 2018 Actually, I did not know you couldn’t use that. My mistake. Frustration makes people do funny things. Cguy April 19, 2018 Several of the names for the next “non-interim” manager just aren’t practical. Reds won’t pay as much as many other teams, Cinn. is a small market, Reds are a small market team, Reds not committed to keeping best players, Reds not committed to upper level FA market, Sophmore GM w/o a discernible master plan, etc. etc. etc. Who would want the Reds manager job? Someone who’s not going to get one of the best management openings in the next few years, that’s who. MuddyCleats April 19, 2018 Nailed It! SultanofSwaff April 19, 2018 All this talk that the GM should go too is a bit silly. DW isn’t going anywhere, and more to the point, he’s only been in charge for 1 draft and 2 free agency periods. While I think he could be more aggressive to trade away redundant prospects to acquire more help for the big club, overall I’m quite satisfied with the trajectory and especially his reasoning for the decisions he’s made. His engagement with the public is to be lauded. Slice April 19, 2018 Good God noooooooooooooo on Joe Giardi. Noooooooooooooòoooooòooooòooòoooòooooooooooo!!!! jim t April 19, 2018 Larkin will be the next manager. Entirely to much chatter already been leaked for it not to have already been discussed. I also don’t think he needs to manage in the minors as a means to do a good job in the majors. He knows the games and managing kids making little money is entirely different them managing Million dollar ball players. Tom B. April 19, 2018 Larkin is a very intelligent guy. Surely, he can see that Reds ownership is just not going to do whatever it takes (i.e. — spend money at the major league level) to put a winner on the field. I just see him constantly frustrated and butting heads with Williams and Castellini to get better talent. I do think, though, that Larkin has the gravitas to be a great manager. He would certainly command respect from the players. David April 19, 2018 Tony Fossas will be the interim Wahoos pitching coach. Dick Schofield will manage Louisville, at least for now. David April 19, 2018 LOL at Dick Williams for stating that they are being pro-active. DW will always have a place in stand-up. Kap April 19, 2018 Not to change the subject, Fan Graphs has an updated mock draft and an updated player rankings up. Well worth the time to read. https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2018-mlb-mock-draft-v-1-0/ https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/updated-2018-mlb-draft-rankings/ wes April 19, 2018 Never seen movement like this before- no wonder Doug hasn’t been posting a list. When the highest riser is a guy who hasn’t played since week 2 makes indicates a weak draft. Hope scouting has their act together! RobL April 19, 2018 Everything they say about the Reds makes sense, EXCEPT Joey Bart. Why would they take Bart when Stephenson is doing well in Daytona? It would be a replay of when they took Grandal in the middle of Mez’s breakout. And I don’t want to hear about BPA, at number five, it is all about preference and not actual talent level. Madrigal, Kelenic, or Singer on the cheap is every bit as good as Bart. Doug Gray April 20, 2018 Yeah, I was hoping to write about this while in Dayton this afternoon between BP and the game starting (about 2 hours), but talked with a few people and worked on something for The Athletic that took me longer than I expected. I’ll have a post specifically about this stuff tomorrow afternoon at some point (Podcasting about the manager tomorrow afternoon, too – so depending on how that goes will specify the time). DanD April 19, 2018 Another ex Red besides Ross that I would like to see be interviewed is Lenny Harris GM Nep O'Tism April 19, 2018 The most worrying part of all of this for me? The quote from Williams about meeting with Price to discuss being let go… “Walt and I met with Bryan and Mack last night.” …Walt Jocketty still has WAY too much influence and power in this organization ( >0 = too much) after the way he wasted the good teams with inactivity, left the farm barren, and bungled the start of the rebuild. Combine that with a GM who got his job by being an owner’s son (aka Unfireable?), and I don’t know if we will ever be able to see that enormous FO problem be cured unless the ownership of the team changes. Optimist April 19, 2018 That struck me as well, and I instantly thought of the Cubs – namely Theo and Jed. Sure DW is young and new and family, but it’s way to early to judge his performance. Walt, OTOH, is the one who needs to be replaced, and I suspect that’s his plan as well. He needs to transition to consultant and I understand that is what he is doing. This may be one of the last acts he’s involved in, and I’d hope this winter sees both a field manager search AND a GM/President/head of operations search. Without looking, I think Theo is President of the Cubs and Jed is the GM. They also have several other executives not directly tied to on field/game actions. I don’t know if the Reds have similar staff, but I recall DW adding such auxiliary staff. GM Nep O'Tism April 19, 2018 Walt was *supposedly* already transitioned over a year ago. 2016 was supposed to be his transition year. Now it seems more and more as things continue to be run exactly as awful as before that all that really happened was they were able to pretend to appease fans by taking Walt out of the spotlight, still giving him the same power, and simultaneously managing to employ an owner’s son. -Walt is Bob’s buddy with a lifetime job regardless of results, and Williams is an owner’s son. No playoff series win since 1995. -Marvin is Mike’s buddy with a lifetime job regardless of results, and Katie is an owner’s daughter. No playoff wins since 1990. Why must Cincinnati sport fans suffer so? Doug Gray April 20, 2018 The Pete Rose curse is real. Kong April 19, 2018 The Reds front office doesn’t have a plan. They are just a good ole boy network of morons. Colt Holt April 19, 2018 Want outside the box but effective? Joey Votto, player / manager. Done. Colt Holt April 19, 2018 Evidence: Zack Cozart Eugenio Suarez Those guys became all stars because of his instruction. From the pitchers perspective, who better to teach pitch mix than the guy who seemingly always knows what the opposing pitcher is throwing. It’s like Little Big League…outlandish but effective. GM Nep O'Tism April 19, 2018 If Votto was willing to do it, I would be on board. I just don’t know if that would be something he would want to do. He seems like he spends so much time on his own game that he wouldn’t have the time to manage too, because I can’t imagine Manager Votto would be willing to accept him doing either job at any level less than perfection. RedsFaninPitt April 19, 2018 I thought this site was supposed to be about the Reds minor leagues. It seems everyone has forgotten what the Reds have in the minors and what they have in the majors. A lot of good talent in the middle and lower minors and a lot of young players – particularly pitchers in their 1st full season in the majors. This is what you would expect to see during a young teams first big struggle together with injuries to boot. This is the time when leaders are often born and a team develops its game face/personality. It’s darkest right before dawn they say. Well, your seeing rock bottom now. Let’s see how they look on July 4th. I suspect many will be singing a different tune then. Big B April 19, 2018 How Larkin campaigned for the Manager job last year, while Price was flailing, still leaves a really bad taste for me. Not feeling it. kevinz April 19, 2018 I dont like the Larkin idea just for the fact he is so beloved in Reds Country if fails as a manager will be loved less i believe. Rather see a guy outside the organization or The Dayton manager heard glowing reports on him with younger players. Doubt wanna take him away from the young A ball players but outside the box thinking it lol Simon Cowell April 20, 2018 manager don’t mean much unless your name is Phil Jackson, Bill Belichick, or Sparky Anderson. One could easily argue that each of the above mangers mentioned were given the talent with which to succeed. What made the managers great? The players performing above and not below expectations. GM Nep O'Tism April 20, 2018 I would argue what made them great was not consistently batting two of the worst 10 everyday hitters in baseball 1-2 in the lineup. Or not choosing Reed to start over Garrett. Or not putting Yovani Gallardo/Kevin Gregg/etc into close games while using your good relievers for mop-up duty. Or not insisting that Pennington/Gosselin start over the young prospect. I am 100% on board with the idea that Price wasn’t given a great roster. The difference is a good manager can at least take those lemons and make some lemon water or something. A bad manager (Price) takes those lemons, throws away the inside, and just eats the rinds. In a game where succeeding 150/600 times is meh and succeeding 180/600 times is amazing, a manager needs to always be putting his players in the best situations to succeed, even if each individual advantage seems like a small one. They add up. B-town Fan April 20, 2018 Well as we sit here in the middle of April, can you believe it April, and it appears we are staring at a lost season already. Another lost season of Joey Votto or wasted is probably more correct. It appears the Reds have thrown in the towel on the season to me, they are not saying that, but that is what it looks like. That is what the Price firing tells me, not some so much the firing, but the Reds response of hiring an interim manager and saying that they won’t hire a permanent one, till it looks like after the World Series. They should start the interview process now how ever long it might take, 3 or 4 weeks or longer what ever, and hire a new manager and get on with it already. There are plenty of external candidates out there, what are they waiting for, to see if Ned Yost is fired, by the way the Royals record is only a game or so better than the Reds, he’s not fired, meaning the Reds move looks a little panicked to me, so be it, but the plan afterward looks worse. Back to my original point, maybe the Giants take another swoon this year and Bochy is fired or the Angels don’t make the world series and they fire Scioscia or the Orioles who have 14 loses, 1 less than the Reds, and they fire Showalter those could all happen but are low percentage chances. There are plenty of good choices out there, the Philadelphia Eagles hired there 2nd choice and they won the Super Bowl. My point being, get on with it already! Get the new manager in place get on with the new program and build momentum into the summer and fall and into next year. That’s what I would do. Oh well. I guess I will be following the Reds a lot less this year, maybe I’ll make the 3 hour trip once or twice this summer to see the Reds for entertainment purposes with no expectations. Maybe, I’ll go take those sailing lessons I’ve been meaning to take the last couple of summers. Doug Gray April 20, 2018 You aren’t going to be able to do much interviewing, or acquiring of many quality candidates at this point in the season. That’s why they are waiting – unless they want to hire someone who is without a job right now, or someone they already pay and are just promoting…. B-town Fan April 20, 2018 Doug that is my point there are plenty of quality candidates out there now unless they want to wait on some name I mentioned above or some hitting coach or pitching coach that is with another team. The Yankees hired someone out of the TV booth, the Yankees!! There is plenty of talent out there to choose from they could interview Girardi now, they could interview Farrell, Larkin, David Ross, Buddy Bell, just to name a few of the top of my head, heck what about Corky Miller, a lot of players and coaches have said he would make a good manager. I would think he would be as good as Aaron Boone maybe better since he was a catcher. This all goes to what kind of a manager do the Reds want or more to the point what is the Reds organizational philosophy, what is the “Reds the Way”. I’ve never heard anyone ask Dick Williams that, I mean there’s a New England Patriots Way, there’s a St Louis Cardinals Way, there’s even a Butler Bulldogs Way they are always changing coaches and keep on winning. You can’t tell me there isn’t someone out there of high quality that couldn’t be the manager right now or in short order. Unless the Reds don’t know what they are looking for, and they are hoping someone just pops up with a great interview during the search or just waiting for one those managers I mentioned above to be fired which is fools gold. You need to build up momentum now not play out the string and wait for November and next spring training. Gilbert Keith Chesterton April 20, 2018 So is the new manager going to put Amir in the starting rotation? Otherwise if real changes like that aren’t happening, then it just seems that the front office is firing Price just to put lipstick on a pig. Bob April 20, 2018 Even if the late great Sparky Anderson was alive, this team would still struggle year end and year out until the Front Office truly commits to making this franchise great again. William’s and Castellini have talked the talk, but have yet to walk the walk. I have always heard “Actions speak louder than words”. It’s time for the top management to start walking in tune with their talking.