Joe Girardi withdraws from Reds managerial race Doug Gray October 19, 2018 51 Comments The Cincinnati Reds have one less person to look at for their managerial position. Ken Rosenthal reports that Joe Girardi has taken himself out of consideration for the job. Joe Girardi was #Reds’ top choice for manager, but has withdrawn himself from consideration for position, sources tell The Athletic. Will remain with @MLBNetwork for now. Still wants to manage again. — Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) October 19, 2018 It was just yesterday that Joe Girardi was in town for a second interview with the organization. He was spotted around town, including at the Reds Hall of Fame and Museum, and at the Urban Youth Academy with Bob Castellini. What makes this all interesting is that it was Girardi who decided the job wasn’t for him, not that the Reds decided they didn’t like what he brought to the table. There could be a lot of reasons for that. Maybe they discussed possible salary and the numbers didn’t make sense for Joe Girardi. Perhaps he went into the second interview and had some more questions of his own and didn’t like the answers he was getting back. It’s certainly possible that it’s something unrelated at all to the Cincinnati Reds – though it seems unlikely. Ken Rosenthal’s tweet says that Girardi still wants to manage again, so it will be interesting to see if he takes a job this offseason somewhere else. Or if he’s perhaps eying another job that isn’t open currently. The reports have not noted that other candidates beyond Girardi, Brad Ausmus, and David Bell would be getting second interviews. One report, though, did mention that none of the other candidates had been told they were out of the running, either. So it’s certainly possible that others beyond Ausmus and Bell could still be considered. Right now, though, it seems that those two are the ones with the most juice. 51 Responses Simon Cowell October 19, 2018 I contend he was the Reds top choice. Sad day for the Reds when managers turn down what should be a fantastic job. Maybe it was about the money, location, or simply not liking the ownership? We’ll probably never know. James Phillips October 19, 2018 Unless there’s a serious commitment to spend money and assets on pitching, this is a doomed job. Girardi might have been smart enough to realize he can’t win and getting fired a a few years might be the end of his managing career. Bob Anderson October 19, 2018 You can spend the assets all you want, if it done poorly, it doesn’t matter. Bob Anderson October 19, 2018 As I expected, though I think Girardi wants a large market. My guess this goes on another week. Mac October 19, 2018 He probably saw right thru crazy Bob’s meddling. The manager is his puppet anyway. Joe wisened up. Good for Joe. Bob Anderson October 19, 2018 So will Bell then. Wes October 19, 2018 Spot on. We all know why he withdrew. Just most don’t want to admit it. RedsKoolAidDrinker October 19, 2018 I just wonder if Girardi asked for some guarantees pertaining to free-agent pitching and trades. Who knows. cinvenfan October 19, 2018 Good news. Never like him and reports he didn´t get along with the younger players wasn´t a fit for a rebuilding team. Now give me Bell or Baldelli and we’re talking. Simon Cowell October 19, 2018 I never trust unconfirmed sources but it sounds like making Joey Votto a player manager would be the ideal manager for you. Joe Girardi October 19, 2018 Your a loser R Lamanna October 20, 2018 No he is a winner. Thats why he doesn’t want to manage Reds.He doesn’t view current oganization as winners Mutaman October 19, 2018 “and reports he didn´t get along with the younger players” That was always Cashman generated nonsense. With all due respect to Aaron, most Yankee fans would kill to have Girardi back managing if you put any stock in WFAN and ESPN callers. Doug Gray October 19, 2018 How do you know that’s something Cashman just made up? Mutaman October 19, 2018 “How do you know that’s something Cashman just made up?” 1. have heard numerous interviews with “younger” Yankee players saying such speculation was not based on facts. judge had been particularly vocal about this. 2. The concept has been almost universally blasted by both the print and electronic NY media guys. 3. How did Boonie’s ability to communicate work out in 2018? Those last two games at the stadium definitely showed the effect of improved comunication. Doug Gray October 20, 2018 I’ll search for some of that from Judge tomorrow. Haven’t seen it (granted, I also wasn’t looking for it). But, Boonie and the Yankees won a lot more games in 2018 than 2017. Mutaman October 20, 2018 “But, Boonie and the Yankees won a lot more games in 2018 than 2017.” Not when it counted! This is not Cincinnati. No NYer cares how many games the Yanks win in July. This is all about the post season. You will not find a Yankee fan alive who thinks 2018 was more of a success than 2017. This year was WS or bust. But i refuse to have another never ending debate with you. put an amen to it. Colorado Red October 19, 2018 It is really sad, then a manager rejects you. He must have seen house dis-functional the FO is. Another 90 lose season coming up. Complete failure of a franchise October 19, 2018 This franchise is an embarrassment. Another guy with no mlb manager experience will get the job. Go to baseball reference and look at the records of all the reds managers with zero mlb managerial experience. It’s a list of horrific results. RobL October 19, 2018 Sparky Anderson Norwood Nate October 19, 2018 I’m not upset by this news. Was hoping he wasn’t going to be the choice. Prefer Bell of the three that have been interviewed twice. Would like to see Baldelli and Montoyo brought in for round 2 as well. Simon Cowell October 19, 2018 Corky Miller starting to look like a good option. Jim M October 20, 2018 Lets hope as Reds fans, he was told “We dont plan to win for 3-4 more seasons” and thats why he withdrew.. Maybe a NON sellout of opening day will send a message if they refuse to fix this mess these idiots created!! The Astros and Cubs went outside the organization to fix their mess. They both are very good teams now. Our Reds are stuck spinning their wheels with a front office the last 4 years that has no clue to fix it. All talk and nothing else!! Zero accountability with the players.. A sad time to be a Reds fan and I haven’t been this bummed since 1982-84 before Rose came back!! Jim M October 20, 2018 typo Was supposed to say Hope he Wasn’t told!! The Rage October 20, 2018 LOL, are you serious? The Reds offered Girardi a very strong compensation, which was the only reason he considered the job. I suspect the Reds welcomed him with full arms, but I didnt see the interest from him. The Reds have already detailed their plans. Your post is null and void. Cguy October 20, 2018 I’m a little disappointed that Girardi has withdrawn from the manager’s job competition. I believe he had more baseball credibility than the other candidates. That’s an important asset for the Reds to gain when selecting their next manager. Any of the other candidates might be better at analytics, player relations, game strategy, etc.; Girardi would have added the most integrity to the organization. Norwood Nate October 20, 2018 How much baseball credibility did Sparky have when the Reds brought him on? How about Alex Cora or Dave Roberts? Baseball “credibility” whatever that amounts to, doesn’t amount to jack squat when it comes to winning games. The other areas you mentioned would have some effect though, but you wanted the guy who had the most name recognition? That’s some fruit salesman logic right there. bouwills October 20, 2018 Never said name recognition. Dave Bristol had a .529 winning % the 3 years before they hired Sparky. That team did not lack credibility. Since Dusty left the Reds have a .423 winning % & definitely lack credibility. Plus I see no reason for personal disdain at this site. If you disagree, please try to make your case on merit. Norwood Nate October 20, 2018 Where was the personal disdain? Geez, some of y’all are sensitive around here. I likened your logic to that of Big Bob’s for hiring a manager. That’s a comparison not an attack. I get that could be taken as an insult to be compared to him, but you are using the same logic, so I think it’s apt. To me saying you want someone with baseball credibility is the same as wanting a face of the franchise. Someone who the baseball world sees as a credible hire, a name it recognizes from past accomplishments. And I did make an argument on merit as I offered names of past and present who succeeded without having name recognition or past credibility to rely on. I also stated that credibility won’t make a difference in winning games but the the areas you dismissed for other managers were areas that may effect winning games. You seemed to gloss over that part though. So does the team have credibility or does the manager bring credibility? Because your first statement implies the manager would bring that but then your defense states that the team had it before Sparky which is why they were successful when he took over. It’s confusing to follow. Cguy October 20, 2018 Nate, if you believe name recognition to be synonymous with credibility, there is no point in further discussion. The Cincinnati Reds have name recognition. Practically everybody that follows the game knows who they are. On the other hand, they lack credibility. Among analysts, fans, other teams, players, & even manager candidates- the Reds do not appear to know exactly what they’re doing & how to get there. If you disagree that the organization lacks credibility, then again, there is no reason for further discussion. We just disagree that the Reds lack credibility compared to other ML organizations. Now it is purely my opinion that among the prospective candidates for the Reds management position, Joe Girardi currently has more credibility than the others. Hiring him would enhance the Reds credibility as an organization to some extent than say retaining Riggelman. Were the Reds changing ownership, or changing the GM or adding another president of baseball operations; those moves could enhance their credibility more than switching managers. But they’re not. With Girardi out of the picture, I assert, based solely on my opinion, that they will not enhance their baseball credibility as much. Regardless of whether anybody recognizes the new managers name or not. Norwood Nate October 20, 2018 I wouldn’t say synonymous, but I would say associated. For example, if I have earned street cred, that means I’ve gained notoriety for my accomplishments/actions that have earned me a level credibility amongst a certain group of individuals for which those accomplishments matter. When the Reds say they want a manager to be the face of franchise, I take that to mean they want to hire a name, someone with that will bring credibility to the franchise based on their past accomplishments as a manager. Joe Girardi is a big name that brings instant recognition to Joe-fan who can look up his W/L record and accomplishments with the Yankees and Marlins. What exactly do you mean by credibility if not what I laid out? Do you mean past success? Recent success? Do you mean esteemed reputation? Esteemed by those in the industry? The last one is what I interpret you to mean based on your statements about the Reds lack of credibility (which we agree, the Reds as a franchise isn’t credible based on the way they are run). Someone credible is someone who would up the esteem of the franchise by those in the industry and around baseball. Bell appears to have esteem in the industry based on the amount of interviews and jobs he’s in the running for. What he doesn’t have is the name recognition due to formerly managing the Yankees. To me those qualities still align with face of the franchise comments made by Big Bob. His name brings “credibility” to the franchise, it’s the face to put out in front to say the Reds aren’t a poop show because look who we hired. He’s a baseball guy with pedigree and has worked for a successful top notch franchise on the biggest stage. He’s someone the fans can get excited about (which lies at the root of credibility, no?) I just believe that’s flawed logic and not entirely relevant to what makes a good manager. To me, his W/L record with the Yankees is irrelevant to how successful he will be with the Reds. Just as Bell’s W/L record in the minors is irrelevant to his potential success as a ML manager. To me credibility does not win games. Having an aligned plan from the FO down to the field and striving for execution of that plan will aid in winning ball games. Bringing in better players will aid in winning baseball games. Hiring an esteemed, recognizable name doesn’t make this franchise any more credible. Winning will do that. Getting rid of a meddling owner would help as well, because he’s the one that’s sapping any credibility the Reds could have. Do I believe the Reds are a credible franchise? Norwood Nate October 20, 2018 Sorry, I don’t know how that final question got on there. The answer is no, I don’t believe they are a credible franchise, but that’s largely due to the owner. Cguy October 20, 2018 Pretty obvious to me that you cannot discuss the subject objectively. Your disdain for Castellini dominates your opinion. By the way, Castellini is not going anywhere. As for being a fruit salesman, at least Castellini an extraordinary fruit salesman. I took exception to 2 things in your original reply. #1) “fruit salesman logic” is just bigoted. fsl is no different than “vegetable salesman logic “or “meat salesman logic” even “commodity salesman logic” or even the more appropriate “professional logic”. #2) Sidenote: my 1st name is Jack & my squat is far superior to yours Nate. Thanks for converting such a small opinion into such a contorted episode. Doug Gray October 20, 2018 Let’s play a little nicer, guys, ok? Norwood Nate October 20, 2018 1. You don’t understand the definition of the word bigoted. 2. Congrats on having superior squat. Must really comfort you at night. Cguy October 20, 2018 Played real nice in my first 2 replies. Then I resorted to handing out what I was dealt. I never intend to instigate conflict with anyone at this site, but expect the same from those who choose to reply to my comments. Doug, if you want me off this site-just ask Jon Ryker October 20, 2018 Maybe he sensed they didn’t know what they were doing. Too bad. He was the right guy. Doug Gray October 20, 2018 Maybe they sensed he wasn’t. Mutaman October 20, 2018 That would be just the kind of awarenessexpected by an organization that has lost 94+ games for the last 4 years. Doug Gray October 20, 2018 Depends on who is making the decision here. And unfortunately, there seems to be a whole lot of questions about who exactly is making decisions for the Reds. Is it Castellini? Is it Jocketty via Castellini? Is it Williams? But, the idea that “well, they’ve stunk in the past so they’re automatically going to make the wrong decision” doesn’t do much for me. Jim H. October 20, 2018 Haven’t read all the comments so forgive me if I repeat someone. It could be as simple as this. Girardi is in his 50s in an increasingly “youthful” position. He’s at a point where he can be picky. Questions about payroll, power over the roster, any number of things that he may want, may not be available. It doesn’t have to be sinister, or slamming the Reds, it’s just not the right job for him. The way his tenure with the Yankees ended, I didn’t think he was the right anyway, but I wasn’t there then or in the interviews now. Let the process play out and give the new person a chance. It’s not getting the best name, it’s getting the right person who fits this organization. There are challenges in being a manager in any organization, the Reds are no exception there. Joe October 20, 2018 I say Rocco knocked it out ofvth park in th interview and he’s the guy and thr jus letting everybody down easy in th public eye Tom October 20, 2018 While I wish this was Girardi bowing out, saving face, before another person gets hired and makes him look bad, the fact that the report says he was the Reds top option means that probably isn’t the case. Hard to paint this report in a positive light. Seems like the Reds ought to respond to defend the organization. Silence makes it seem true. Inference: Joe Girardi was interested, the Reds wanted him the most, they talked, and then Joe said, ummm, no thanks. Hopefully this embarrassment sinks in and motivates the FO to get better on the field. Joe October 20, 2018 We don’t really kno for sure he was everybody in the front offices first choice. Th only thing that gets me is itsvth second interview and people will say it’s th money or wAtever but I’m sure they had a ballpark figure in mind b4 he came back. If he backed out after th first interview I’d definitely be with u guys n say it’s on th reds but I jus hav a feeling it was more someone else blowing them away than Jus not wanting to ante up for Girardi. I feel if bob really wanted the “face of th franchise “ he would’ve paid Doug Gray October 20, 2018 It will be interesting to see what is said at the press conference about it. While I doubt they address is directly by speaking of Girardi, I imagine they’ll say something about whoever they hire actually being their first choice (whether it’s true or not, we’ll probably never know). DX October 20, 2018 Doug, Does it matter? With where the Reds are, it is obvious the half hearted rebuild has failed. This team will not compete for the next few seasons for many reasons. Homer Bailey had injuries The young pitching prospects like Stephenson, Reed, Finnegan, Romano, and Garrett as a starter haven’t worked out. The Cubs are loaded The Brewers are solid, and the Cardinals are the Cardinals, and the Pirates are good. Do you consider admitting the rebuild didn’t work and let’s try again? I think you have to consider it, and if that’s the case, is everyone available to trade? Doug Gray October 20, 2018 I don’t think the Reds can try to start over. They’ve got to do what they can do be good, tomorrow. There are on the verge of becoming a 3rd rate team in this city, have lost a generation of fans already because they’ve been terrible for most of the last 20 years, and baseball isn’t exactly thriving on it’s own, either. Of course, it’s not my money to spend, and they won’t hire me to do it for them – but if it were my business, I’m opening up the check book to acquire players to make this team respectable again in 2019. Maybe you aren’t winning 92 games, but if you aren’t winning 80 in 2019, it’s a massive and complete failure on the part of ownership in my mind. B-town Fan October 20, 2018 I suspect in Girardi’s first interview, it was just with Williams and management. In your story Doug you said that during his second interview Girardi spent part of the day with Castellini and then he promptly withdrew from consideration, coincidence or is it unrelated, who knows, but the optics don’t look good. B-town Fan October 20, 2018 But I do find it odd Girardi would do a second interview if he didn’t want the job. Perhaps the Reds just allowed him a graceful exit. GM Nep O'Tism October 20, 2018 Maybe he realized Bell is a guy that Jocketty acquired as a player and hired as a minor league manager already, and that Bell’s father Buddy Bell is a senior advisor (hired by Jocketty) for the Reds. Then he looked across the table and realized that one of the guys (Williams) is the son of an owner. …and he ran as fast as he could to get away from this nepotistic cesspool. Going to have to change my name to GM/Manager Nep O’tism if Bell gets hired. Mutaman October 20, 2018 “And unfortunately, there seems to be a whole lot of questions about who exactly is making decisions for the Reds.” Which is the problem in a nutshell. We are the Packers of the 1980s, an inept organization from top to bottom. Packers solved that problem by hiring a competent football man in Ron Wolf and giving him absolute unlimited control. A few years later they won the Super Bowl. We need to quit fooling around with nephews and Bryan Price and the status quo. Hire someone competent (Girardi might have been a good choice if he had interests beyond managing) and then leave him alone.