Mark Sheldon posted an article yesterday on Dilson Herrera at The article begins by talking about the health of his shoulder, as he recovers from surgery.

The good news is, Dilson Herrera says he’s healthy and ready to go. The shoulder injury began with the Mets. They diagnosed it incorrectly for two seasons in a row. He was traded to the Reds, who after hurting the shoulder in spring training of 2017, also misdiagnosed the issue at first. After rest and rehab, he returned to the lineup in Louisville, but couldn’t make it through the season with re-injuring the shoulder. This time around the Reds made the proper diagnosis and Herrera went under the knife to get things repaired.

The bad news is that Dilson Herrera is out of options. He’s one of only two players out of options on the Reds 40-man roster. Homer Bailey is the other. Scouting reports going back years have essentially said that Herrera is only a second baseman on the defensive spectrum. What stood out to me from the Sheldon article linked above is that the Reds have Herrera working at both third base and shortstop.

If you recall, it was his time at third base that led to the shoulder injury popping back up last spring. Of course, there were underlying issues there as the injury had been lingering for years at that point. Still, the Reds are going to ease Dilson Herrera into those positions where the throws are more strenuous.

Since Dilson Herrera is out of options, his ability to play somewhere else on the diamond could be key. Being a second baseman only, who isn’t the starter, makes it very tough to fit onto the bench. While I believe that even if he can’t handle the other spots that the Reds will still keep him around, at least for a little bit, being able to play somewhere else in a pinch could be quite useful.

The bat has always been the calling card for Dilson Herrera. Outside of the Major Leagues, he’s hit everywhere he’s gone.  Last season in Louisville may be the lone exception. A tough start wiped out his season totals, where he OPS’d just .709. Over the final 41 games (of 68 total) he hit .301/.342/.474 for the Bats. His season came to an end on July 19th, but he had only gotten five at-bats for the two weeks prior.

In the Major Leagues, Herrera has hit just .215/.308/.383, but all 169 plate appearances he’s had came in 2014 and 2015 when he was just 20 and 21-years-old. He will turn 24-years-old in two weeks. It’s been a long time since Herrera has played in the Major Leagues. And the next time he does, it’s going to be in a backup role. That’s a role that he’s not really been used in during his career.

25 Responses

  1. Wes

    Hope his arm don’t fall off

    Doug u should write an article on options. I assume most of us don’t fully understand how it all works.

  2. Tony

    Doug, I am frustrated by injuries as much as anybody else but they happen. To say that Herrera was misdiagnosed twice is not only unfair to the Reds medical staff but inaccurate. The Reds tried a non-surgical approach twice that didn’t work but that’s not the same thing as being misdiagnosed. Let’s hope Herrera stays healthy this year so that we can finally see what he can do.

    • Colorado Red

      Yes it is.
      If they think it is item A, and rest will help, but it is Item B and surgery is needed, it is a miss diagnosis.

      • Tony

        Rest and rehab is a treatment plan and not a diagnosis and to say otherwise is absolutely incorrect. This is not my opinion but a fact.

      • Colorado Red

        It really depends on the injury.
        So it is your opinion,not a fact since they had to do surgery.

      • Tony

        Colorado, we’re splitting hairs here but surgery is a treatment and not a diagnosis and again this is a fact and not my opinion. Doctors have known for awhile that he had bone spurs in his shoulder. I think the assumption is that now that he had surgery he is fixed and therefore it should have happened sooner, and I hope he is fixed, but there’s no guarantees that this is the case. Some people’s shoulders look pristine on a scan and they have pain throwing and others look damaged and there is no pain throwing so it can be very tricky sometimes. I’m guessing based on the conservative treatment initially is that his shoulder structurally looked pretty good and they’re surprised that the pain persisted.

    • MK

      I do think it is fair to say that their first approaches to many of their player injuries have not worked and eventually led to surgery making the time missed longer than if they had had the surgery in the first place. Mesoraco and Bailey are big examples of this and on the minor league level Tyler Stephenson where his first diagnosis on his wrist injury said no surgery which he ended up having.

      • Tony

        It is fair to say that their first approach hasn’t always worked of course. It’s a very difficult job though and Kremchek is very well respected (especially outside of Cincinnati) so I can’t argue with his approach.

      • RFM

        Huh? Homer Bailey? He had forearm surgery that perhaps led to elbow surgery, then had a minor setback from bone chips, a side effect of his elbow surgery. A person not returning quickly and smoothly isn’t necessarily a matter of misdiagnosis or poor treatment.

        Again, with Tyler Stephenson’s wrist, surgery is typically a last resort, not a first resort. Give it time to heal, hope surgery isn’t necessary. That’s not a matter of misdiagnosis, it’s basic responsible medical care that sees digging into a person with a scalpel as an undesirable outcome.

    • Doug Gray

      The guy had a recurring shoulder problem for three years running. Two different teams, and multiple doctors along the way couldn’t figure it out. His injury was misdiagnosed along the way, multiple times.

      • RFM

        Actually, one more bit to the rant:

        The worst part of fan diagnosis is calls for preemptive Tommy John surgery. It’s pretty common, whenever a pitcher reports elbow soreness. You’ll hear suggestions “well, he’s going to need it anyway”. Elbow pain is a symptom of a torn UCL, or of lesser problems (tendonitis) not requiring surgery, but there are always people pushing to have surgery done. There’s Chad Dotson mocking Hunter Greene for eventually needing Tommy John surgery because he throws hard.

        In my opinion the push to rush to premature surgery is pretty ridiculous, while the urge to assign blame or wrong doing on others if a previously unjustified surgery IS performed is just as ridiculous.

        If you were blindly pessimistic without any medical information to justify your opinion, and some doctor WITH relevant expertise and medical information urged a more cautious/optimistic course, I don’t think it proves the knowledge-less fan correct and the medical professional wrong. I want MY medical decisions made by experts making smart decisions, not blind pessimism. If somebody prefers the later, I don’t know, you might get your leg amputated after getting a cut.

    • RFM

      Tony is absolutely right. Correctly diagnosing and injury and choosing a treatment plan are different things. Doctors typically treat surgery as the LAST option, once all other options have been explored, rather than the first. Sticking a scalpel into somebody’s shoulder is a last resort, not a matter of misdiagnosis. In Dilson Herrera’s case they came to the last resort, surgery.

      • RFM

        I’m really surprised that nobody is listing the fact Michael Lorenzen and Anthony DeSclafani didn’t have Tommy John surgery at the first sign of elbow soreness as a sign of misdiagnosis. In both cases they were correctly diagnosed but the team tried to take a conservative non-surgical path in response, and in both cases it looks like it was the right decision. Despite not being the aggressive surgical path for said diagnosis.

      • Tony

        Great points RFM. What we have here is not a malpractice issue but rather a millennial issue. Most millennials have been conditioned to believe that surgery is failproof and that surgeons can make your body better than it was to begin with so at the first sign of discomfort you shouldn’t delay surgery. Of course nothing could be further from the truth. Couple that with the fact that millennials are playing the game any many think that if they wake up every morning and don’t feel 100% perfect then they need an MRI to see what’s wrong. It leads to a lot of discussions about injuries and treatment. So the debate rages on but to me surgery should always be a last resort.

      • RFM

        I don’t consider it a millennial issue, I think the belief that quality medical care, including surgery, offers immediate risk free cures to everything is pretty widespread, whether a person has a sore elbow, bone chip in their shoulder, or cancer. There’s an assumption, especially among sports fans, that you can assign some number to it (4-6 weeks? 3 months? 13 months?), and if it isn’t fixed/cured the only explanation is medical incompetence. That everything is and will be routine, resulting in a full recovery. But, that’s just not the case. Surgeries often have side effects (Bailey’s bone spurs), consequences (you had a knife in you!), risks like infections.

        People should follow the best, safest path to their recovery. Sometimes it’ll work (Disco, Lorenzen, anyone else who avoided Tommy John), other times more drastic actions will eventually be needed (Herrera). It seems pretty ridiculous to consider the leading issue a matter of misdiagnosis.

        I don’t agree at all with the notion that millennial players are hyper-sensitive to injury – there’s great pressure on them from fans/teams to investigate and report every ache and pain, yet we commonly hope for them to play through it, because guys who get hurt are lazy wimps of poor character, or something. But, with great openness/reporting of player injuries, I guess there comes a great expectation from fans that each problem will aggressively and immediately be cured with an arbitrary recovery time, usually based on close to zero relevant information about said condition, and zero medical expertise. Best example was Mesoraco’s hip, where nobody seemed to care what doctors or other people who underwent that procedure said.

        Shoulder surgery is often looked at a career threatening procedure, but we’re unhappy that Dilson Herrera didn’t pursue it as a first resort, because, I don’t know. Arbitrary timetables. The idea of medical miracles. Because a shoulder is an easy fix.

        Rant concluded.

    • MuddyCleats

      Tony, let it go already. This trade stinks and it has from the get go. Reds got stiffed and they don’t care because it was a salary dump plan and simple. Getting nothing for Bruce is shameful, but all too common for Reds Fans. Dittos for BP & Chapman trades, yet the organization asks for our support……..shameful

  3. AirborneJayJay

    The Rays have DFA’d OF Corey Dickerson. He can play CF better than Schebler. He was an all star last year. He hit the snot out of the ball at GABP when he was with the Rockies. He has a $5.8 M contract though. This could be in the Straily/Scooter pick up vein.

    • RFM

      Dickerson hasn’t played CF in years, but is a very poorly regarded defensive LF. He lacks Schebler’s speed/range, and I seriously doubt he’d outperform Schebler defensively in LF, let alone CF. Dickerson is occasionally referred to as a DH, while Schebler is one of the faster corner outfielders in MLB by Statcast.

      Dickerson was an All Star in 2017 because of a monster first half, before an ugly and embarrassing second half, so bad that his team has now DFA’d him before finding a trade partner. With his negative defensive value he really needs to hit. Dickerson did hit 27 homeruns last year. Schebler hit 30.

      Schebler, Duvall, Winker are mostly better, younger, and less expensive than Corey Dickerson. They’re comparable hitters and all better defenders.

      Straily and Scooter were sorta come-out-of-nowhere scrubs who put together great seasons, filling needs for the Reds. Dickerson has already peaked (yet his team doesn’t want him) and is repetitive, he’d be the team’s 4th LF. I’m all for looking for the next great waiver wire pickup, but I seriously doubt it’s Corey Dickerson. Don’t put too much stock in people being former All Stars, there are lots of less-than-impressive All Stars in Reds history, too. Alfredo Simon comes to mind.

      • AirborneJayJay

        Oh I don’t know. I do know I saw 4 Reds-Rockies games at GABP in 2014 and 2015 and Dickerson smoked the ball in all 4 games. Schebler hot .215 at GABP in 2017. Looks like an upgrade. Schebler ever been an all star?

      • DHud

        You’re talking about 4 games from 2 and 3 years ago. Rafael Palmero was an All-Star once too, I guess he’d also be an upgrade then using that logic

    • MuddyCleats

      IMO, Reds need another RHH OF, but I could see this working for them if they would consider moving Schebler and or Winker. Dickerson is a young, Low cost OF who HAS played well at ML level. Move Schebler or Winker and maybe package one of our young SP to make it right for another Castillo type SP who is more………on the cusp….of starting their ML career. Those types of moves is what it takes to get better. Simple sitting back waiting on young guys w/in the organization isn’t working well IF getting better is your goal…………? Realmuto wouldn’t be a bad option either. Marlins R looking to get better & Reds have a couple of good Catching prospects