Jim Bowden is almost like that dude from Harry Potter who has the name you shouldn’t say. I don’t know who that guy is, but know from The Office that you shouldn’t say his name. Not everything that happened under his watch in Cincinnati was hit fault. He had a cheap owner who hamstrung some things. But he did have a way of leaving a sour taste in the mouth of Cincinnati Reds fans at times. And when he left the organization, it wasn’t exactly in a strong place, either.

The days of Jim Bowden, General Manager, are long gone. He’s now contributing in several areas of the media, with one of them being at The Athletic as a writer. Over the last few days he has released his version of a top prospects list. His list was 200 deep and broken down into four parts – 50 players on each part. You will need a subscription to The Athletic to read the lists, but if you have one, links are below for each part.

1-50 | 51-100 | 101-150 | 151-200

Starting at the bottom we get our first look at a player that didn’t crack any of the Top 100 lists we’ve seen elsewhere this offseason. Mike Siani, the Reds 4th round draft pick from 2018, comes in at #159 on the list. The 19-year-old center field prospect is known for his speed and his defense, both of which grade out as plus or better. He had a solid debut at the plate for Greeneville, too. He hit .288/.351/.386 for the newest Reds affiliate in the Appalachian League.

The other six players are all ones we’ve seen crack at least one Top 100 list from a national source this offseason. Tyler Stephenson, the organizations top catching prospect, came in at #125 on the list. The other five players all made Bowden’s Top 100.

Right-handed pitcher Tony Santillan came in at #91 overall on the list. Jonathan India, the Reds 1st round pick in 2018 came in at #49. Hunter Green came in at #39 and had one of the most strange comments ever written in his write up.

The raw skills and athleticism get you excited about his potential, but he needs to cut down on his walks and miss more bats.

Hunter Greene struck out 30.3% of the hitters he faced in 2018. He walked 7.8% of the hitters he faced in 2018. That’s an elite strikeout rate and an above-average walk rate, Jim. What are you talking about here?

Outfielder Taylor Trammell and Nick Senzel, who doesn’t exactly have a defined position, round out the list. Trammell came in at #16 overall. Senzel showed up with his lowest rating anywhere, coming in at #11.

15 Responses

  1. Gaffer

    Bowden is a cheater and may be a plagerist. He is unhireable in MLB. That’s my take.

  2. TMS

    Doug, I too was a little perplexed at JimBo’s comments about Greene. It was as if he went out of his way to disparage Hunter Greene. I also thought that he ranked both Trammell and Senzel a little lower than most other scouting gurus have ranked them.

    I was very curious as to Bowden’s comments about Jeter Downs, who now with the Dodger organization. He almost makes it sound as if Downs could be the Opening Day 2nd Basemen for the Dodgers. Would he have been so high on Jeter Downs had the Reds not traded him?

  3. Norwood Nate

    So what does makes Siani rate better as a prospect than Jose Siri? Both have plus defense and speed. Siani appears to have a better plate approach (although RK league stats should be taken with a grain of salt) while Siri has much better power. Siri is much closer and much safer as a prospect. As far as a comparison of how they did within their own leagues, the Appalachian League, according to baseball reference had a .746 average OPS in 2018 while the Southern League had a .701 average OPS in 2018. Siani was slightly below league average for OPS at .737 while Siri put up an above average OPS at .775 in 2018.

    No idea why Siri continues to be glossed over while newer shinier prospects get more love with less track record of production.

    • Stock

      I agree Norwood. My take is that Siri’s ceiling is through the roof. His ceiling is at or better than Senzel. What I don’t get is people assume Siri’s floor is AAAA player. This is where I disagree. Siri will have a long major league career because he is an ideal 5th OF. Great late inning defensive replacement. Need a base runner late in the game. Siri is a fantastic base runner. Need a power bat off the bench. Siri fills that role too. For these reasons Siri should be a top 100 prospect even if he never hits more than .200 as a pro he would be very valuable. In half a season Ervin provided a 0.4 WAR for the Reds last year. I see Siri’s floor as a career 5.0 WAR.

      Just my take.

    • rgslone

      Here is my question with Siri: How is is Siri a significantly different player than Yorman Rodriguez? The minor league stats and skill sets look very similar, with Siri showing a little more power. Rodriguez didn’t have the hit tool to play MLB, and Siri hasn’t shown any reason to think he will either. With Siani there is still the hope that he will. That’s the difference for me.

      • Doug Gray

        More power. More Speed. More Defense. That’s the difference, and it’s a decently big one.

  4. dbfromnva

    I wouldn’t’ get to worked up about anything from Bowden since he continues to prove himself clueless.

  5. The Duke

    He listed Siani as having 55 speed and 50 defense. My guess is that he’s never seen him play, live or on video.

    Is Taylor Trammell’s weigt really up to 215? That’d be up 20 lbs since drafted, and he was already strong.

    • Michael Smith

      @duke

      The reds are thinking about moving him to third down LB for his coverage skills.

    • Doug Gray

      I’m not a scale or anything, but yeah, that *seems* about right for Trammell.

  6. Stock

    To his credit, I think the rankings of Santillan, Stephenson and Siani are about right.

  7. Jim

    Bowden’s comment on Hunter lmfao!
    Did he also say the Orioles farm system is the best in baseball?

  8. Jbrat22

    José Siri MiLB production:
    2015 (rookie leagues): .244/.261/.438
    2016 (mostly in Low A): .275/.301/.463
    2017 (Low A): .293/.341/.530
    2018 (126 PAs in A+, 283 PAs in AA): .239/.294/.449

    I think most agree that Siri has at least above-average to plus tools across the board, with the exception of his ability to make contact. The thing that’s encouraging to me is to see how he’s improved his numbers, with the exception of last year when he dealt with the wrist injury. As Doug has noted many times, he finished the year strong.

    I think the disagreement stems from the fact that AA is usually a pretty big jump in competition, and can be telling of whether a player can “make it” or not. Those that think Siri will make it think his down year last year was a product of the injury, those that don’t think his down year was because his subpar ability to make contact was a result of his inability to make contact against AA pitching. He’ll turn 24 this year, so this season is a big one for him as to whether he’ll be a defensive replacement-type MLBer or a starting caliber MLBer.

  9. Jim Delaney

    Bowden made mistakes as REDS GM (O’Neil for Roberto Kelly deal) and especially with his drafts but the guy had the REDS in contention for the playoffs numerous seasons including teams in 1994 and 1995 that were very good and the big surprise team in 1999. He convinced Marge numerous times to allow him to get veteran guys making some cash. He also convinced Lindner to allow him to trade and sign Griffey Jr. Just sad that the Jr. deal didn’t work and the hometown kid homecoming didn’t work. If MLB fields were what they are today during Griffey’s early years and he didn’t play in a dome, his knees would have been healthier and the results may have been totally different. Bowden was also always willing to be aggressive during the season when REDS were contending to make moves. We shall see if the current regime and ownership has any aggressiveness in them if they are contending in 2019. Last time REDS had a chance in 2012 and 2013, front office and ownership sat on there hands and didn’t make moves to put REDS over the top. Still can’t believe they didn’t make a move for CF in 12 and rolled dice on Drew Stubbs, or for an everyday LF in 2013 after Ludwick was injured 1st game of season. Seeing Xavier Paul and Chris Heisey getting the most at bats for REDS as LF in 2013 was excruciating. They may have won the division in 13 if they would have added a legit every day LF…