Photo: Doug GrayWill the Reds add prospects to the 40-man to save from Free Agency? Doug Gray November 1, 2019 21 Comments Usually when you talk about adding minor leaguers to the 40-man roster during the offseason it is based around the conversation of who to keep from being drafted in the Rule 5 Draft. But teams can also add a minor leaguer to the 40-man roster in order to keep them from hitting minor league free agency. This isn’t something that happens too frequently, but it is an option. There are over 30 players eligible for minor league free agency within the Cincinnati Reds farm system. There are several options available for a team that wants to keep a player around. The first is the easiest: add them to the 40-man roster. That move will keep them in the organization. But it’s also a move that takes up a roster spot and pays them the first year 40-man minimum. That’s not much money in the grand scheme of things. The other option could be to try to re-sign them in free agency. This could possibly save you money versus simply adding them to the 40-man roster. But another team could just sign them to a Major League deal, and get them at the same price that you would have been paying them for that move anyways. And you are also now competing with other teams even if that isn’t the case. There’s risk involved in this scenario that there isn’t when you simply add a player. Players the Reds could consider adding As noted, there are over 30 players who will be free agent eligible in a few days. I’m not going to cover all of them. But I do think there are a few players who should at least warrant a conversation among the player development staff and the big league decision makers about whether or not they should be kept around via an addition to the 40-man roster. Alex Powers | Reliever The stuff for Alex Powers doesn’t exactly jump off of the page at you. If I described it to you, you probably wouldn’t think much about it, either. And if I also told you that he was going to be 28-years-old at the start of next year and has never appeared in the Major Leagues, you’d be wondering why the Reds would consider adding him to the 40-man roster. But if I told you that in the last two years his ERA at Double-A was 1.96 and in Triple-A it was 1.98 over a combined 91.2 innings pitched where he had 121 strikeouts, allowed just six home runs, and walked just 29 batters – you start to understand that maybe there’s a little something else going on. He’s been nothing short of dominant in the upper levels of the minors the last two seasons. Chadwick Tromp | Catcher The old saying about how you can never have enough pitching is true. But we should probably have a similar saying about catching, too. Catchers get beat up all season. And they often find themselves on the injured list as a result of that. The Reds found out just how south things could go earlier in 2019 when they had a period of time where they were starting Juan Graterol, who at one point in the season was their 5th or 6th string catcher in the organization. Tromp missed much of the 2019 season as he recovered from shoulder surgery. But when he got back on the field he crushed the ball. He began playing rehab games in rookie ball out in Goodyear and put up a .910 OPS. He spent the last month in Triple-A with Louisville and he just kept on crushing the ball, hitting .286/.389/.610. The one area working against Tromp here is that the team already has three catchers on the big league roster, and will also be adding Tyler Stephenson to protect him from the upcoming Rule 5. Will they carry five catchers on the 40-man roster? Ibandel Isabel | First Baseman One side of the ledger reads: CAN LITERALLY HIT BASEBALL TO MARS. The other side of the ledger reads: Struck out 42% of the time he stepped to the plate in Double-A this season. And there lies the rub when it comes to Ibandel Isabel. His power, when he makes contact, is insane. He’s led the league in home runs in each of the last two seasons. This year that was 26 home runs in the Southern League for the Chattanooga Lookouts in just 91 games. His home run per fly ball rate was hiliarously more than twice as high as the second highest rate in the league this year. The gap between his rate and the guy in second place was actually larger than the gap between second place and literally zero. There’s a lot of give-and-take with Ibandel Isabel. But he’s got the kind of power that is just flat out game changing. The question always remains can he get to it at the highest level due to the strikeouts? Is he worth keeping around without letting him test free agency and seeing if another year in the system with your coaches can improve the contact rate? Jose Adames | Reliever If you don’t recognize the name or remember the player Jose Adames I wouldn’t blame you. He’s actually been in the Cincinnati Reds organization since December of 2016. That’s when he was selected in the Triple-A version of the Rule 5 draft from the Miami Marlins. He then missed all of 2017 after undergoing Tommy John surgery. He came back that fall in instructional league and was firing 99 MPH fastballs and nasty sliders. But the injury bug simply wasn’t behind him. Adames unfortunately needed another Tommy John surgery and missed all of 2018, then almost the entirety of 2019, too. He returned to the mound for the final game of the Arizona League Reds season on August 26th. He struck out three batters in 0.2 innings. No, that’s not a typo. The 26-year-old right-handed pitcher then joined the Billings Mustangs for their final week of the regular season where he struck out five batters in 3.0 innings over three games. He would also pitch an inning in the playoffs for Billings, firing a perfect inning with two more strikeouts. There’s an argument there that can you really add a guy to the 40-man roster who hasn’t pitched above rookie ball since 2016 and has all of 4.2 innings thrown in games that count in that span? And honestly, it’s a pretty good argument. On the flip side, the organization has committed a lot of time to rehabbing not one, but two surgeries with Jose Adames over the last few years. And the cost to add him is rather minimal. Oh yeah, and he still throws 96-99 MPH with a hammer slider. Mitch Nay | Corner Infielder The former 1st round pick missed nearly two entire seasons after battling through a staph infection that required multiple surgeries. Picked up by the Reds in the minor league version of the Rule 5 draft in December of 2017 he’s spent the last two seasons in the Cincinnati organization. In 2019 he broke out in Double-A with the Chattanooga Lookouts. In 82 games he hit .304/.366/.561 with 22 doubles, two triples and 13 home runs. He spent just over a month in Triple-A where he struggled to get going. He turned 26 in late September, so he’s not exactly young anymore. But he also missed a lot of time, and there are some tools there. For the Reds it could come down to a mater of do you use a spot on the 40-man for a potential back up corner infielder, or try to bring him back on a minor league deal but have to compete with other teams for his services. Narciso Crook | Outfielder Drafted out of college at 17-years-old, Narciso Crook has been around for a while despite having just turned 24 in July. The outfielder began the year in Double-A Chattanooga. After hitting .296/.342/.437 there he moved up to Triple-A. As a 23-year-old during the season he played in 84 games with the Louisville Bats and hit .273/.329/.484. Crook is capable of playing all three spots in the outfield, though a majority of his time has been spent more recently in the corners. With the Reds outfield options on the 40-man, things are a bit crowded right now. But depending on how many spots could be open, you could still add him rather than try to bring him back via free agency. What will happen? I’d be a bit surprised if the Reds add any of these players. While it’s not unheard of, teams don’t often go this route. Maybe once or twice an offseason you will see a minor league free agent sign a Major League deal. That’s out of about 500 or so minor league free agents. Teams are usually pretty good at identifying the guys before letting them get away. With the Reds specifically, they had chances to bring guys up in September this year to maybe get a look-see. They didn’t. That probably tells you what you need to know about the Reds intentions. Share this:FacebookTwitterRedditPocket 21 Responses MK November 1, 2019 I would add Ibandel for sure. The kind of power he has is difficult to find. I thought it was very telling that he spent more tine in the outfield defensively in the second half of the season. With three options available after being added, would make him only 27 that time. If Votto continues to digress they might need a replacement or at least a platoon partner for him. Hopefully the new direction of the organizational hitting will benefit guys like him, and strike outs are more forgiven in the last 10 years. The organization told Tromp what they thought of him when they signed Graterol last off season. Would like to think Adames would show some loyalty to the organization for paying him to rehab the last couple years. Though that doesn’t seem to matter any more. Reply kyblu50 November 1, 2019 Trade Tromp and Ibandel For Fram of the RAYS Now. They Need the Relief In Money Due Fram. Reply kyblu50 November 1, 2019 Or even sign them now to minor league contract then deal them for Fram Daytonian November 1, 2019 Sorry, MK. IMO Ibandel Isabel is not worth the 40-man spot. We’d lose something if we devote a spot on the 40 to him. A temp spot while the Reds have an open spot on the 40? Fine. But a strong “No” when it comes down to seriously deciding who is on the 40. Reply MK November 1, 2019 Much better than the stiff they traded for yesterday. Oldtimer November 1, 2019 Jankowski is a good back-up OF. They did not trade anyone for him. He is LH batter and can play all three OF spots. Very fast runner, too. kyblu50 November 1, 2019 Can Tommy Pham do the job for Cincinnati in centerfield regularly or be a all around 4th outfielder? Tampa Bay needs to get rid of his contract for extra money. So would money and a low prospect or equal trade for medium high prospect. Reply kyblu50 November 1, 2019 If talking a Marte trade. Pittsburgh possesses club options on his contract for $11.5 million in ’20 and $12.5 million in ’21. First get permission from Pittsburgh to talk new contract with extensions with Marte before a trade. Upgrade the two years already there (add maybe 4 mill each year) plus put in incentives for bigger pay day. Trade …. Maybe Jonathan India, Jose Siri , Tyler Mahle and Jackson Stephens Give them two pitchers, 1st round pick and a center fielder. How would you set up the trade ? Reply Oldtimer November 1, 2019 I doubt those four Reds players would bring Marte in return. Mahle has #5 SP potential. India is potential MLB INF someday. The other two have flaws at the MLB level. Reply Scott C November 1, 2019 I think there are four names on that list that I would consider Isbanel, Nay, Tromp and Powers. But then again, those 40 man spots are premium and you need to be sure that there is a legitimate chance these guys can help un the future. I am sure the Reds FO has taken in consideration that and the percentages of re-signing these guys to new minor league deals. Reply Doug Gray November 1, 2019 Here’s the thing – right now, those 40-man spots don’t mean anything. If they are open, you can use them and since guys aren’t getting paid in the offseason, they don’t even start making the money until next year. If you need those spots for someone else in the offseason, put them on waivers – and if they clear, they become free agents. If they don’t clear, good for them and they are on the 40-man for someone else. Reply Scott C November 1, 2019 Did not know that. Good to know. jbonireland November 1, 2019 Lets get off the Marte band wagon please. I believe the reason they signed Graterol was because Tromp was hurt and Louisvile needed another catcher, the same reason Graterol was brought up instead of Tromp. Reply Oldtimer November 1, 2019 https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/carrahe01.shtml Hector Carrasco. Reds 1994. Never pitched above R or A level before that. Went on to 12 year MLB career. Reply Norwood Nate November 1, 2019 Intrigued by Powers and Nay. Wouldn’t mind seeing them protected. Reply Norwood Nate November 1, 2019 Think the Reds could open a bunch of space on their roster. DFA Alaniz, Mella, Josh D Smith, and Colon. It’s unlikely both Romano and Sims makes the club and both out of options. Non-tender Gausman, Dietrich, Peraza, Jankowski, and Schebler. Based on my count today the Reds roster sits at 29. Should be real easy to get that under 30 in time to protect who needs protected. Reply Norwood Nate November 1, 2019 *Reds roster sits at 39 today. (Typo) Reply Stock November 1, 2019 I must be missing someone because I have the Reds at 38 players. Offensive Players not coming off: Barnhart, Casali, Votto, Peraza, VanMeter, Galvis, Suarez, Aquino, Ervin, Winker, Jankowski, Farmer, Blandino and Senzel. That is 14. Pitchers not coming off: Bauer, Gray, Castillo, Disco, Mahle, Lorenzen, Garrett, Stephenson, Iglesias, Bowman, Herget, Kuhnel, Cody Reed, Lucas Sims. That is another 14. Players with options so I would keep them on: Joshua Smith, Brian O’Grady and Ruben Alaniz. That makes 31 Dietrich is a FA so he comes off. I would non-tender Gausman so he comes off. 3 players out of options with zero chance of making the opening day roster next year so should be DFA’d and offered minor league contracts. Jackson Stephens, Keury Mella and Christian Colon. These 5 departures knock it down from 38 to 33. The two remaining players probably will not make the team out of ST but need not be released yet. Sal Romano and Scott Schebler. Players needed to be added or risk losing to Rule 5. I may be missing someone but I see Stephenson, Santillian and Hendrix as being added. This bumps it up to 36 on the 40 man roster. I agree that it does not matter when you lose them (now or when you have to DFA them to make room for a new player. I add Powers, Tromp, Adames and Nay. If room needs to be made or I am missing someone then who goes depends upon who is added. If the Reds sign Grandal then I would let Tromp go. If the Reds trade for a C and don’t get rid of one in return then Tromp goes. If the Reds add a RP or two then I let Romano go. An OF means Schebler can go. I really hope they hold onto Nay, Adames and Powers. I don’t know why Powers with 3 options would be less valuable than Romano with zero options. I am not sure why you would let Adames go. Just last year the Reds traded a rookie ball player who made it to AA this year. I could see Adames making it there this year and in the majors in 2021. Nay needs to learn how to get the ball in the air. If he can change his swing I see a VanMeter like turn around. I would love to keep him. Reply MK November 1, 2019 i count 39 Reply Stock November 1, 2019 I forgot Siri. I personally let Romano go. I could see letting Schebler go also. Finally I could see not picking up Tromp or Nay. But Tromp’s FB % went up to 46% in AAA last year (small sample size) but if he can continue that and catch it would be foolish to let him go when you have Romano who needs to be on the 26 man roster next year and is no better than the #10 RP today and probably even lower come April. Reply Daytonian November 2, 2019 Mets decline option on Legares. He’s worth a shot if his price comes down, which it should after his sudden performance drop last season. I’d take a flyer on a rebound here, but only at a discounted price. Reply Leave a Reply Cancel ReplyYour email address will not be published.CommentName* Email* Website Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Notify me of new posts by email.