Photo: Doug GrayComparing Jose Garcia to past Reds shortstop prospects Doug Gray March 4, 2020 28 Comments Jose Garcia is out to an outstanding start this spring for the Cincinnati Reds. The 21-year-old prospect is hitting .417/.400/1.250 with one walk, no strikeouts, two sacrifice flies, a stolen base, a double, and three home runs in 15 plate appearances. Small sample size alarms aside, he’s turning some heads. The shortstop isn’t just hitting, though, he’s also shown off his defensive chops several times in his seven games played, too. This past offseason when I was creating the Cincinnati Reds Top 25 Prospect list, one of the tougher decisions for me was who to rank third and who to rank fourth on the list. It came down to Tyler Stephenson and Jose Garcia. Both guys had a bit of a breakout year – though Garcia’s was more of a breakout given his 2018 season – and both guys have plenty of the tools you want to see from players at premium positions. Stephenson performed in Double-A and his track record is a little bit longer, so he got the edge for me, but it was pretty close and there wouldn’t be much argument at all if anyone wanted to flip the two of them in their own rankings. They’re both very good, Top 100 caliber prospects in my view. But that view didn’t always align with some of the national publications. Among the five major national lists – Baseball America, Baseball Prospectus, Fangraphs, MLB Pipeline, and The Athletic – Jose Garcia only made two of the lists, and Tyler Stephenson only made one of them. There’s always going to be some disagreements among scouts on who is a better prospect than who – for example, I heard a report from one scout who had seen the Daytona squad this summer who had a player that I don’t have in my Top 25 rated as the teams best prospect. That’s an extreme example, of course – but that’s the opinion of someone paid by a Major League Baseball team to evaluate talent, who had someone I didn’t even consider for my own Reds Top 25 list rated ahead of Jose Garcia and Jonathan India. On Monday afternoon Garcia came into the Reds game against the Los Angeles Dodgers as a replacement, taking over at shortstop for Alex Blandino. Garcia only got one at-bat, but he singled. I noted in a tweet that he still had not struck out this spring, and that last August he had only struck out 10 times (in 108 trips to the plate). And that things could get really interesting if he’s going to make contact at an elite rate. A user on twitter responded with a question of “Is he the best shortstop prospect for the Reds since Barry Larkin?” It was a question that I had a quick answer for. No, he’s not. But that is only speaking directly to prospect rankings for the answer rather than looking at the player himself. Let’s take a look back at the Cincinnati Reds shortstop prospects going back to 1990 – among those who rated in the Top 100 Prospects at Baseball America. That’s just after the “Barry Larkin era” began in Cincinnati, so it should cover every true shortstop prospect since. The 1990 date is also important because that’s when Baseball America had their first Top 100 list, so from a true comparison standpoint, that’s as far back as we can go when it comes to rankings. The Cincinnati Reds have had eight different shortstops rank as Top 100 Prospects since 1990 – though several have been in the Top 100 multiple times. Pokey Reese, for example, was a Top 100 prospect FIVE different times. Here’s the list, in order of the players highest ranking in the Baseball America Top 100: Player Ranking Year Billy Hamilton 20 2013 Gookie Dawkins 21 2000 Pokey Reese 41 1994 Todd Frazier 60 2009 Damian Jackson 62 1998 Zack Cozart 75 2012 Didi Gregorius 80 2013 David Espinosa 90 2001 There are a few caveats with the above list. Billy Hamilton moved to center field in the Arizona Fall League following the 2012 season, but he was a shortstop prior to that point and was on the Top 100 prospects list. Todd Frazier was sort-of-kind-of a shortstop, but not really. David Espinosa (he’s now an international cross checker in the Reds scouting department) was a shortstop in 2001, but then didn’t play the position again for nearly a decade while playing independent league baseball. Everyone else, though, stuck around at shortstop for a while after appearing on the list. When looking at who remains, Didi Gregorius and Zack Cozart stick out. They both put together careers that will have lasted at least a decade in Major League Baseball. Cozart will log his 10th season this year, while Gregorius will reach that mark in 2021. Both players have also logged 16 career WAR (Baseball Reference version). The other three players all reached the Major Leagues. Gookie Dawkins spent parts of four years in the big leagues, but struggled – hitting .163/.241/.204 in just 110 career plate appearances. Pokey Reese played in parts of eight seasons in the majors from 1997 through 2004. His best season came in 1999 with the Reds in that magical, out-of-nowhere year where he hit .285/.330/.417 (which with context of baseball at the time was actually well below-average with an OPS+ of just 86). He racked up 3138 plate appearances in the big leagues with a .248/.307/.352 line. And then there was Damien Jackson. He saw action in parts of 11 seasons in the majors between 1996-2006, accumulating 2509 plate appearances and a .243/.323/.356 line. It’s easy to look back and see the end result of the careers for the latter three guys mentioned. We know what did and didn’t work out for them. For Jose Garcia, we don’t really know how his career will play out. And even for the two guys still active, while we don’t know how their careers will ultimately wind up – they’ve both put together strong big league careers to this point. Let’s take a look back, though, at how each player was performing at age 21. That’s the most recent performance baseline we have for Jose Garcia – his performance last season in Daytona. Now, let’s first note that this is the line for each player during their age 21 season, and not necessarily their line during their top ranked season. With that said, Jose Garcia not only outhit everyone, he did so by a whole heck of a lot at the same age. It’s worth noting, though that he was at a lower level than most of these guys – and also that Zack Cozart posted that line directly out of the draft in full season ball. Among that entire group, only Garcia and Reese were even better than league average hitters in their age 21 seasons. The others, sans Cozart, were close, though. Only Garcia played in a pitcher friendly environment during his age 21 season, and he out-slugged everyone, and did so by an enormous amount for several of them. But shortstop, even today, is considered more of a glove-first position. It’s the special ones that can both field and hit at shortstop. Now, let’s first start off with me saying flat out that defensive statistics that are publicly available are garbage for infielders. They are a little better than that for outfielders – but they still aren’t great. But for infielders you may as well use RBI to tell how good an infielder is if you’re going to use defensive stats (ok, this is a slight overreaction – but defensive stats suck all kinds of awful for infielders). Jose Garcia appears to be a good defender. You don’t need to be a professional scout to tell that if you’ve seen him play. But even if you are one, well – it’s easy to see. He’s got range, good hands, and a big time arm. He passes the tests on the scouting reports. How do the other guys stack up on that end of things? Let’s work our way backwards from most recent to least recent on the lists. Didi Gregorius was regarded as the best defensive shortstop in the organization while he was still in the organization, drawing high grades for his arm, athleticism, and his range. Zack Cozart has solid grades on the defensive side of things – known more for solid range, a solid but very accurate arm, and very good hands. Those two were the only ones I was personally able to see in person. Everyone else I’m simply relying on reports from the Baseball America Prospect Handbooks of the past. Heading back to 2000 we have Gookie Dawkins, who among those who remained at shortstop, was the highest rated Reds shortstop ever – coming in at #21. Defensively he had range, outstanding quickness and speed, soft hands, and plenty of arm to stick out at shortstop. He was described as having Gold Glove potential in the write up following that 1999 season. Two years earlier Damian Jackson was the #61 prospect in the game. The tools seemed to be there for Jackson at shortstop, but the consistency in using them wasn’t according to the writeup following his 1998 season. He showed a big arm and was considered to be an outstanding athlete. Cincinnati traded him before the 1999 season to San Diego. In 1994 it was Pokey Reese with his highest spot on the Baseball America Top 100 list, coming in at #41. He also rated at #75, #48 (two different times), and #60 on the list. Unfortunately I don’t have the Handbook for that year, and none of the scouting reports from his time on the lists are available online with an easy google search. But we do all know how good he was at the Major League level once he got there, too. And he was good. Really good. While he would spend a larger chunk of his career at second base because he was on the same team as Barry Larkin, Reese picked up two Gold Gloves at the position. When it comes to the whole package, it honestly feels like Jose Garcia matches up well with all of these guys. He performed significantly better at the plate than all of them at the same age, and while it’s possible he’s not quite the elite level defender that Reese was, or perhaps Dawkins was said to be – he’s still pretty good at shortstop. So that brings us back to the original question: Is Jose Garcia the best Reds shortstop prospect since Barry Larkin? Hindsight skews things a little bit, but it seems that we can make a reasonable argument that Garcia at least matches up quite well with any of these guys from this list. But let’s take a look at Hall of Famer Barry Larkin. He was drafted by the Reds twice. In 1982 they selected him out of Moeller High School in the 2nd round, but he decided to go play at Michigan. Three years later he would go 4th overall to Cincinnati and he would jump straight into Double-A after the draft. He hit .267/.331/.345 with 12 steals – only being caught once – and he walked more often than he struck out. The power didn’t show up immediately that season, but everything else seemed to. He was the same age then that Garcia was in 2019. The next season he saw action in both AAA and the Major Leagues. Larkin tore up Denver and the American Association, hitting .329/.373/.525 – good for a 139 OPS+. He’d also hit .283/.320/.403 at the big league level that year. It still drives me insane to think how there were people who saw Larkin and Kurt Stillwell as an uncertain decision, who at no point in his career at any level beyond rookie ball that he was any sort of hitting threat. It would be one thing if Larkin were a terrible fielder with no chance at all to play the position, but we clearly know that wasn’t the case. Hindsight and everything, but yeah – I’ll never understand that one. Back to Jose Garcia and Barry Larkin, though. To match up with Larkin at age 22 it’s going to take a huge season for Garcia. Larkin just raked at that age and he did so in Triple-A – a level higher than where Garcia is expected to begin his age 22 season. Of course, we all know that Larkin has gone on to do great things in his career. Hall of Famer, 12-time All-Star, 9-time Silver Slugger winner, 3-time Gold Glove winner, league MVP – yeah, he was pretty good. It’s not really a fair comparison. And it shouldn’t be. Larkin’s an All-Time great. He’s got a plaque to prove that. Jose Garcia’s a heck of a prospect, though. His start to this spring is certainly elevating the conversation around his name and his game. People that normally wouldn’t be talking about him, or even know who he is – they are talking about him and they are asking questions about the young shortstop. He stacks up quite well with the crop of elite shortstop prospects the organization has had in the last 30 years. And while he may not rank quite as highly as some of them have, at least not yet, you can easily argue his skills and performance last year put him there with any of them. Share this:FacebookTwitterRedditPocket 28 Responses SultanofSwaff March 4, 2020 Good post Doug! RojoBenjy March 4, 2020 Nice analysis. Can tell you put in extra work on this. Thanks! Big Ed March 4, 2020 Agreed. Good work. Chi Reds Fan March 4, 2020 Same, good content Big Ed March 4, 2020 I think most of the reason that Garcia is low on Top 100 rankings (which I deem to be inherently suspect, anyway) is that he did not play in organized games for much of 2016 and 2017, which would be his age 18 and 19 years. Given that fact, it took him some time to get his game-speed skills back on track, but as Doug has pointed out, he hit better every month in 2018, his first year in the U.S. By last August at A+, he was sensational, slashing .378/.426/.571, for an OPS of .997 in a pitcher-friendly league. He had 98 August ABs, with only 10 strikeouts and 7 stolen bases. He was pretty much the best player in the Florida State League by the end of the season – at age 21. So, where some ratings guys may see a thin record, another view of Garcia is that his rise has been meteoric, after a long layoff. I think he is the prize of the system. Stock March 4, 2020 Well said Big Ed MFG March 4, 2020 Doug, great work as usual. What is your best guess as to when we see Garcia playing in GABP? Doug Gray March 4, 2020 2021 is a safe guess, but I wouldn’t be completely shocked if it happened at some point later in 2020. Stock March 4, 2020 Here is a comp: Category/Player 1/Player 2 AB/272/240 BA/.294/.308 OBP/.367/.371 SLG/.415/.477 ISO/.121/.168 OPS/.782/.847 BB%/9.32%/5.00% K%/9.65%/15.42% HR/4/5 SB/13/11 Two SS in their age 21 season. I would take player 2 but player 1 has a K% less than 10% and seems to be a good prospect. I know last year was Garcia’s age 21 season but when you consider he lost 1 or 2 years with his defecting problem he is younger than 21 from an experience viewpoint. He really turned it on in the last 2+ months last year. Having an OPS of .847 in the FSL is no small feat. Only one player had an OPS north of .790 in the FSL last year. For him to do that over a 2+ month time span is impressive. I predict that if he has not exhausted his prospect status by then that Garcia will be a top 10 prospect in baseball next winter. If you read my post yesterday you already know I felt this way. When I think of Reds SS I think Concepcion and Larkin. None of the other players above compare to these two although Didi can approach Concepcion before he is finished. Garcia will be better than Concepcion. Garcia may end up better than Larkin. Finally: Player 1/Alex Bregman age 21 season split between A/A+ leagues Player 2/Jose Garcia and his last 2+ months of 2019 in the FSL. Oldtimer March 4, 2020 Cardenas in 1960s was multi-year All-Star and one of best SS in MLB (offense or defense). In that sense, he was like Concepcion. Larkin is HOF and better than both. McMillan in 1950s was also multi-year All-Star and one of very best SS in MLB defensively. MK March 4, 2020 Most people here lament the loss of Jeter Downs but we should remember it took about a month in Dayton in 2018 for Garcia to push him out of shortstop to second base. RojoBenjy March 4, 2020 MK- who is this “Jeter Downs” of whom you speak? The only one i’ll not miss. Dave H March 4, 2020 Come on Doug… who’s that sleeper prospect not in your top 25 down in Daytona we need to watch this year? Jonathan Linn March 4, 2020 Great article doug!! The comparison data is really good. I’m just curious…Do you still write for the athletic? Doug Gray March 4, 2020 No. I’m writing at Baseball America now. Jonathan Linn March 4, 2020 Cool! Is that behind their pay wall? Seadog March 4, 2020 One that is not on your list (probably never made top 100) Brandon Larson. 1st round 97. College W/S MVP for LSU. 40 home runs that year. Over 100 RBI. He was listed as “can’t miss” by most people. Never lived up to the hype. Did make it to the big show. I believe he wound up playing 3rd. Just goes to show—A prospect is just that. A prospect. I remember watching him play in spring training years ago. His bat looked “slow”. I felt he never adjusted to the wood bat. He was limited defensively. It was obvious even to a novice. The little I have seen of Garcia—much better defensive SS. Shorter/Quicker stroke at the plate. Time will tell Great article Doug!! Doug Gray March 4, 2020 Larson was never considered a Top 100 prospect. Krozley March 4, 2020 I see Friedl’s name on the list of extras for today’s game. Good to see him back. His name on the sheet was in red, which denotes a non-roster invitee. I wonder if that is just a font error or if they added him to the official non-roster invitees, like they did with Trahan. Doug Gray March 4, 2020 Error. L.A. Red March 4, 2020 Great read. I love when you do these. MK March 4, 2020 Notreally into jinxes Doug but Garcia struck out today. RojoBenjy March 4, 2020 Yeah, nice going, Doug. ;-) Doug Gray March 4, 2020 It was eventually going to happen. Michael March 4, 2020 Thank you for taking my simple question and turning it into a great article Doug. Tom Reeves March 4, 2020 Great article! I think the biggest thing Garcia now has going for him is that he know he can hit major league pitching. He knows it. Maybe he’s hot at the right time and maybe those pitchers don’t know him well enough to make adjustments. None of that matters much at the moment. He’s went up against the big boys and he’s hit them well and defended well. That’s going to put him way ahead of his AA peers. There will certainly be an adjustment to AA, where he’ll start seeing pitchers with better command and stuff. But, I’m guessing he’s in AAA halfway through the season and we’re looking for him to make the team (or be really close) in 2021. Jefferson Green March 5, 2020 Great article, Doug. I always enjoy checking in on your site, and this one was especially good. Thanks! Brock March 6, 2020 Fantastic article! One of your best I’ve read. Would be curious about a similar analyst for Tyler Stephenson at C, how does he compare to Grandal, Mesoraco, etc., at this point in their development.